Ace - Eye Issues

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Jaycey
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Post   » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:05 pm


Hi All,

I thought it best for me to start a topic on Ace as I'm getting a bit worried about his eye.

Here's a picture taken yesterday

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Sorry the photo's aren't too clear, my camera isn't very good.

I've been reading this topic http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?p=835215&highlight=osseous#835215 as that seems to be happening to him. It's happening quite quickly too.

Yesterday I also noticed that his right eye has a cloud over it. I'm not sure if it's the first stage of a cataract. You can see the cloud in the above photos

I've not had anything like this happen to any of my pigs before, and I wondered if you think it's worth a vet visit.

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SStroh

Post   » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:06 pm


I cannot see what you're seeing in the pictures, but eye issues are always worth a vet visit, in my opinion.

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Jaycey
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Post   » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:16 pm


The pictures are terrible, sorry.

His left eye has the signs of degeneration, where the iris is becoming white. His bottom eyelid droops a bit too.

His right eye also has signs of degeneration, and yesterday a small cloud appeared on the centre of his eye. It seems to be floating over the pupil. You may be able to see it in the photos. It is clearer in the second photo.

After reading this thread about graves disease
http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39759&highlight=graves+disease
I have notied that on occassions it seems that his eyes bulge from the sockets and look blood shot.

Other health issues for Ace:
He's very lazy, and has a huge dewlap. It has been checked by the vet, and it has nothing in it.

He has an impaction problem for quite some time, but since he has been changed onto Timothy Hay, he's been alot better. He does usually have poop hanging out of his bottom though.

A few months ago he, and the others, were treated for mites, as his coat was dandruffy. It looked a bit like grains of sand. This has cleared up now

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Jaycey
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Post   » Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:04 am


Would any of you suggest I ask the vet about anything in particular? My vet is not cavy savvy at all, and any advice to take with me would be helpful.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:58 am


Sorry I can't help much. Have you read over the eye page? There are veterinary opthomologists that are more familiar with the many eye problems.

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Jaycey
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Post   » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:56 am


Thanks Lynx,

I'll take Ace to the vet and will report anything they say.

Hopefully there's no underlying problems for him

Talishan
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Post   » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:43 pm


Print the eye page out for him. That might be helpful. The osseous thread might be useful, too.

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salana
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Post   » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:08 pm


I would also suspect heart problems. He has a big dewlap (could be retained fluid); he has bad impaction and is lazy, from no exercise.

I'm not saying it is definitely heart issues, but if you had the chance to get an X-ray of his chest, I would do it.

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Jaycey
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:12 pm


I forgot to post about Ace's vet vist, I'm really sorry.

The vet had a technician in with him so he wasn't in a listening mood. I don't think he wanted me to tell him in front of someone he was trying to teach.

Ace's eye was bulgy today, and that was the main concern for the vet. Although he wasn't listening much he did say that it could be Graves disease, and it will be something we can look into.

He wouldn't give him an xray. He believes it is an abcess behind his eye, so thats why it is bulging and going cloudy.

He prescribed Pred Forte Eye Drops. The full name on the bottle is Prednisolone Acetate USP 1%. I have to put 1 drop in his right eye 4 times a day.

I questioned about his eyes having the osseous thing. I cannot remember what he called it, but he said he'd seen it before, and it isn't harmful and cannot be cured.

Ace needs his eye drops for 7 -10 days and needs to go back if it hasn't cleared up. I hope it does but I really think it isn't an abcess.

If the eye drops doesn't work the vet says that an operation to remove his eye will probably need doing. When he goes back I'm going to take my printouts (again) and request an x-ray (again). If it's a heart issue, or diabetes, or a thyroid problem, removing his eye will only remove a symptom, not treat the cause.

Why can't UK vets be helpful? I get so frustrated each time I visit one

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:44 pm


I think I have a link to pics of the osseus condition on this page:
http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4444
I don't think it makes the eye bulge though.

I'm sorry you're having such a tough time.

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Jaycey
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Post   » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:48 pm


Just a quick update.

Ace's eye is still the same. It has a cloud, and is bulging slightly.

I'm aiming to get an xray done, but that might be delayed for a few days, as xrays need to be booked, and they won't book him for an xray without seeing him again.

We'll get there!!

CletusVanDamme

Post   » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:38 pm


Hi, sorry to jump in on your post. I've just got back from the vet and they said my guinea pig has the same thing: abscess behind the eye.

I was just wondering what you were doing about yours? They basically gave me the option of having the eye removed but with a 50% chance that the abscess would come back and move into her brain and she would die, or put her to sleep now.

I want to try the operation. Just wondering if you thought it was a good idea?

glade
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Post   » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:46 pm


Okay, I am no expert at all, but is it possible it could be one of the lymph nodes behind the eye that is swolen, or are they sure it is an abcess?

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Jaycey
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Post   » Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:38 am


Damn Vets!!

He did nothing.

I wasn't sure which vet twin it was so I explained the situation again. He looked in the eye, and said it hadn't got any worse.

I asked for an xray. He said as it hadn't got worse he won't do it.

I have to stop the eye drops and monitor it to see if it worsens.

He thinks the eye isn't bulging, it's just an illusion as the osseus problem makes it look like more of the white is showing.

He said Ace is a healthy pig with good weight, and he's just lazy

Guess I'm looking for a new vet.......again

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Jaycey
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Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:26 am


Hi All,

I have a bit of an update on Ace.

He's still his lazy old self, his weight is steady at around 1.3kg and he's eating fine. But, his eye seems to have worsed quite quickly. I still can't get a decent picture of it, but it's still bulging and the whole of his iris is now white. The cloud has also covered nearly all of his pupil.

I've been searching again for vets and have emailed at least 30 in the area which state they treat exotics. The majority won't look at him but have pointed me to Frances Harcourt-Brown. After contacting her I've ruled er out as she is a rabbit specialist.

However, I have stumbled across a local vet who treats alot of guineas who was happy to take a look and more importantly, seek further advice.

So, we went yesterday. I explained his past and she gave him a good check over. She looked into his eyes and also listened to his chest. She think she is blind in his poorly eye as he didn't react to any light stimulus, but I suspected that anyway.

After listening to his chest she mentioned that his heart is beating very fast, but there doesn't sound like there is a murmur. Because he is a noisy breather she thinks there is fluid on his chest.

She has prescribed him Frusemide 40mg tablets. I have to give him a quarter of a tablet every day either on his food, or directly into his mouth. I tested it to see if it disolved and it does, so I've given it via a syringe.

I checked on here before giving him the first dose as I didn't recognise the name, but a previous topic suggested it was ok.

He's on these for a week and he's to go back in 7 days. I'll take along as much info from here as possible.

Fingers crossed for Ace

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Mum
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Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:12 am


After listening to his chest she mentioned that his heart is beating very fast, but there doesn't sound like there is a murmur. Because he is a noisy breather she thinks there is fluid on his chest.
She prescribed 10mgs of lasix once a day? That's the maximum dose, but fine providing it's followed with a subcue.

I'm sure her diagnosis is a good one - but he also needs to be on lotensin. The lasix will manage the fluid, but the ACE inhibitor will manage the main part of the problem, which is his heart.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:15 am


Could you convince this vet to do an xray so you can see if there are elongated roots or an infection of some sort causing the bulging?

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Jaycey
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Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:15 am


The bottle definitely says 40mg and I have to give a quarter a day.

She did say that this would be for this first week and then we would have to take him back to get checked over again to reassess.

She's not a very cavy savvy vet so I'll make sure I take this along and mention the Lotensin to her, thanks Mum

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Mum
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Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:27 am


What I would do is to give two doses, one morning and night, one each of 5mg. This way you can avoid giving a subcue.

The good part about this vet is that she might be willing to prescribe lotensin without further testing. If you can get her to do this, you want to start with 1mg/kg twice daily (at least that's what I would do). Or, as he's such a big boy, perhaps just start with 1mg twice daily.

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Jaycey
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Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:35 am


Thanks Mum, I'll make sure to give him half twice a day. I did mention the doseage to the vet as she gave him the same dosage that a ferret would get, but she said it would be fine.

I don't know where I'd be without the great people on this board :-)

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