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Post   » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:00 pm


A 21 gauge is too big except for a tough pig. She needs a 23 or a 25.

The 21 will help the fluids go in faster but the initial stick will ... uhm, get her attention. (And your neighbors as well.)

Any chance you can get them to give you some 23 or 25 gauge butterfly sets?

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Post   » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:04 pm

Not sure if you've seen this yet, but there are some links to "tips and tricks" threads on this link:

LINKS - Fluid Therapy / "Subcues"


Post   » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:19 am

Uh-oh. I don't think I can go through with it again tonight. They got the butterfly needles from another vet. The other needle was even bigger. I may be able to get them at a medical supply store. I can check tomorrow.

I did read some of the posts in the links. It seems lots of others have stuck themselves multiple times.

She was 18g heavier after feeding her tonight. I didn't think I could do any more because she started to whimper and I was afraid she was getting too full. Also, she struggled quite a bit more than she did earlier so she was probably exhausted. She ate three small leaves of baby romaine in between syringes.

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Post   » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:38 am

Putting weight back on takes a long time, much longer than it takes them to lose it so the fact that she is the same is actually very very good!

Keep it up. I agree, YOU ROCK! :)

Talishan, you are smart! And kind.


Post   » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:46 pm

I have had trouble getting butterfly catheters with smaller needles. There aren't any medical supply places that have them in stock. A friend who works for a biotech company was going to try to find some for me.

Sylvester continues to have pink-melon colored urine. The vet says it may take two weeks for it to clear up-- the whole course of the antibiotics. Does that sound likely?

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Post   » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:49 pm

We often see improvement sooner. Often within a few days. I would think if you are seeing blood in urine after a week, the antibiotic may not be working or other avenues should be checked.


Post   » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:55 pm

Thanks, Lynx. She has only been on Sulfatrim for 3 days.

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Post   » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:02 pm

Brenda B, thank you for the compliment. I have just stuck myself too many times not to be able to empathize. ;-) (An 18 g through the finger makes one horrible mess, just so you know.)

Ditto Lynx on the pink urine. It should be mitigating by now if not totally cleared. Mumble.

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Nipro and Terumo make the best ones IMHO.

If she's struggling more, that makes your job harder but it is a good sign. Struggling means she has the energy and the will to fight you, which is good. (For her.)

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Post   » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:55 pm

Gosh this sounds all to similar to what Niles is dealing with in many ways. I am so sorry you are going through this, but you are doing great. Keep up the good work with the handfeeding, medicating and subcues. I will keep Sylvester in my thoughts.


Post   » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:18 pm

My friend brought #25 butterfly needles and may be able to help me with the subQ today.

I am concerned about the pink urine; I called Dr. Nakamura's office and spoke to a technician. The technician did not think it was an emergency situation so, I have an appointment for Tuesday. However, if anything changes for the worse, she said I should bring her sooner.

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Post   » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:22 pm

A med friend is a good friend indeed! :-)

The 25 gauge will be the most comfortable for her. The fluids will go in very slowly because the needle is so small. You will have to really push on the plunger. Don't give up. Your friend will show you this. Just tell him or her that guinea pigs have very tough skin.

I am immensely relieved you are going to see Dr. Naka.

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Post   » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:23 pm

Just hitting this since I bumped up all the auctions, so this will go back to the top. :) sorry for the interruption.


Post   » Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:38 pm

Sylvester got her fluids; my friend did have to put the needle in a second time--OUCH! Otherwise, it went well. He is willing to help again but will be out of town until Wednesday. I hope I can do it myself now.

I am concerned that the pink urine is not going away because the bacteria may be resistant because of all the antibiotics Sylvester has taken--first Baytil (4 days), then metronidazole (2 weeks), sulfatrim (1 day;none for 10 days and again for 4 days).

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Brenda B

Post   » Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:55 pm

Maybe it is more from irritation or inflammation than bacteria?

How is her weight?


Post   » Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:13 am

Weight was still holding even at about 660g before the subQ.

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Post   » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:41 am

VERY good! Like I said, it takes so much more time to put weight on for these guys.

You are such a trooper!


Post   » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:40 am

Thanks for the encouragement!

Sylvester just finished eating and it was more efficient. She gets desperate for something "real" to chew on so we have to have a "hay break". It takes so long to chew hay! I also found that, if the mixture is too thick, she gets really thirsty and I think it annoys her because the food gets sticky in her throat. This morning, I tried making it a little thinner and it took less time to finish.

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Post   » Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:29 pm

I made my cc pretty thin too. It was way easier.

So glad you are getting more in the pig than not now! :)

I looked back over my records and Sierra did not actually start gaining weight back until she was better.

Giving a hay break is good because she needs to keep her teeth worn down with hay so you don't get dental problems too.


Post   » Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:41 pm

I think the pink urine may be clearing up. I will keep my fingers crossed.

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Post   » Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:58 pm

Fingers crossed here too! Keep up the good work and tell Sylvester we're rooting for her!

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