Jessie and the vet.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:32 am


Late Septemebr of this year Jessie decided to go off her food, starting with the grass first and then onto other foods.
When my vet heard Jessie was off her food she (she has done a rodents course on line via Sydney University)wanted to desex Jessie saying all female guinea pigs NOT used for breeding should be desexed and more and more are getting desexed here in Oz. As when a piggy goes off food it is reproduction problems according to my vet.
Well I managed to talk her out off that but it was close, my heart goes out to all those poor piggies who go through surgery for nothing.
Anyway, I noticed that Jessie's 2 top front teeth were at an angle-worned down unevenly, so Jessie had her teeth trimmed. But Jessie was still losing weight, she went from 1005grams to 825grams in 5 weeks, so I wanted her to have xrays of her teeth but my vet wanted ultrasound. Vet was convinced it was uterus related, but against my vets advice I went for the xrays which showed Jessie had an abscess on her left top jaw.
Even before the x-rays you could tell it was swollen, so a week later Jessie had it lanced and like Zoe after surgery got NO pain killers.
So we were syringe feeding her,and taking her to vet to have wound flushed, after a week Jessie went to 880grams and wound healing nicely and after 10 days it sealed up and would not be flushed.
Since then Jessie has NOT lost or gained weight she is still 880grams after 3 weeks though she is getting fed more times. Also around wound vet said she felt forgein tissue and she wants us to massage it and keep an eye on it incase Jessie has an infection there.
I am feeding all chopped finely celery, carrot, cucumber, parsley, brocoli, spinach or silverbeet, cos lettuce(not a lot) the odd sweetcorn,grass, Capsicum, cauliflower. bok choy.
Dry food, Oxbow timothy hay, finely chopped, rolled oats, chaff, cavy cuisine pellets and oaten hay. I have bought both Jessie and Faline the bunny some Oxbow timothy haycakes.
She also gets some vitamin C tablet (which lost the fight with the food processor and is now powder) in rain water via syringe and a bottle of rainwater fresh daily.
Any suggestions much appreciated on food for Jessie, am hoping she does NOT have infection in wound area. When Massage it you can fill the tissue move sort of like the way a knee cap would move.
Jessie was on Baytril for 3 days but she stopped pooping and widdling so vet is a little wary of antibiotics for her.
Jessie went for a weighing on December 24th and though eating like a horse she went from 880grams to 805grams. She is now OFF chaff, vitamin C supplement. She has hardly pooped in last 24 hours and is only eating spinach, carrott tops, grass and timothy hay. She is being syringe C&C with baby food every 4 hours. You can feel she has lost weight.
Hoping someone can help. Many thanks. Someone suggested asking my vet to do a poop float, can some one explain this as I have never heard it and I am sure my vet wouldn't have heard of it either. Thanks for reading this.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:47 am


"when a piggy goes off food it is reproduction problems according to my vet"

Your vet is seriously wrong and I am so glad you realized this and pursued other avenues.

I can only suggest continued hand feeding her gl/handfeeding.html Oxbow's Critical Care may help if you have it or a similar product designed specifically for guinea pigs. The foods your offering should help.

Were the molars trimmed or just the incisors? I take it you've read gl/malocclusion.html ? You mentioned baytril - check out some of the other antibiotics on this page: gl/antibiotics.html Even though there was no pain medication right after surgery, it could still help (meloxicam seems to work well). gl/pain.html

I'm so sorry your guinea pig is having such serious issues.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:57 am


The front four teeth were trimmed and she tried to file down the back teeth. So back teeth NO.
Then Jessie had xrays which showed the abscess, so she had surgery and had that lanced.
I wish to see the vet on Tuesday so maybe I will suggest so Metacam and see if Jessie improves on that.
Our late piggy Zoe had a uterus removed by same vet in January 2007 and again no pain killers.
As to foods specially for guinea pigs, here in South Oz, only Oxbow exsist, BUT I do have a veggie juicer so will juice up some veggies today(Sunday) and syringe feed her this and see how she goes.
Do you know what a poop float is? I need to find out to suggest it to my vet who more than likely will not have a clue.
Many thanks.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:17 am


I forgot to mention Jessie's abscess was lanced November 26th 2009. Would this still be causing her pain? her teeth seem to be fine, jaw aligned and when eating she is eating normally. Am open to suggestions.

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Post   » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:38 am


The diagnostics on this page might help: gl/diarrhea.html Sometimes vets will check for parasites in droppings.

Often vets will trim the incisors too short. See also gl/teeth_broken.html Some of the tips might help her eat better.

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:59 am


Thank you for the links, I am now off to go and read them. I am ringing the vet ASAP tomorrow morning even if she is NOT piggy savvy. Jessie has not got diarrhea, her poops have shape though soft in texture. To my knowledge she has not got broken teeth, her teeth were trimmed early October 2009. May have to have more xrays at $588.00. But I did find links very interesting. Many thanks.

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Post   » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:40 am


No, you read not about broken teeth but the tips for feeding a pig whose teeth have been trimmed too short. If the incisors are not long enough, they can no longer pick up food.

But if the teeth were trimmed that long ago, the incisors should be grown out adequately.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:47 am


I thought I would write to you and let you know how Jessie got on at the vet. Sadly the poor little mite has lost more weight. And it sprung up over night but she has another abscess, she is booked in to have it lanced for tommorow afternoon.
The veggie juice or C&C has given her soft poops or it may be even the infection of the abscess. Jessie did so many soft poops at the vet(thick like custard)both Ian and I had poop on us, it was all over Jessie and her blankie.
Funny thing is though when she got home, NO poops soft or otherwise. We are really worried for Jessie as she is NOT a well little girl.
We have asked the vet for metacam for the pain this time and we sent her these links 1. for antibiotics http://www.guinealynx.info/antibiotics.html 2. for doseage http://www.guinealynx.info/dose_calculator.html and 3 for weight http://www.guinealynx.info/weight_conversion.html
so we are hoping Jessie will fight and beat it this time. We have also asked for some protexin (probiotic) incase the antibiotic upsets her like the baytril did.

Will keep you posted on how she does. We are really worried about her, she was 1005grams in September and now she is 800grams and she feels so thin.
It is going to be 39C(106F) tomorrow. YUCK! If it is that hot does Jessie need a heat pad to help with her temp or would a fan be better?

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Post   » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:44 am


I am sorry your Jessie is not well, and hope she gets better soon. Frequent weighing and continous hand feeding is imortant to make sure she doesn't loose any more weight.

Piggies can easily get heat strokes, so when it gets hot (and 39 degrees Celsius is hot!) Jessie will not neet a heat pad, but rather a "cool pad", like at a bottle of cold water covered with a sock, in her cage. Then she can lay against it an cool off. Change the cold water frequently. I guess a fan would also be fine, but not as efficient as a bottle.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:20 am


I am sorry I did not make myself clear, Jessie is having her abscess lance tomorrow, after surgery guinea pigs and any animal find it hard to regulate their body temp after surgery. Should Jessie have a heat pad after the surgery even though the temp will be 39C? Or would a fan be better because of the temp of the day? Thank you PP for your reply, also Jessie is an indoor piggy. Enjoy your day.

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Post   » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:43 am


Oh, sorry I didn't read your post properly. I would personally think that at fan would be better than a heating pad at such high temperatures, but other with more experience with hot climates will hopefully chime in later.

Anyway I think the best you can do is to monitor Jessie closely; preferably with a thermometer to make sure her temperature stays stable. And then add a cold or a warm bottle if needed.

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Post   » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:54 pm


gl/pain.html may help persuade your vet to consider pain meds too.

I am hoping for the best.

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:41 am


Well what a day, I am having troubles with my Internet going very slow and dropping out so will make this quick.
Jessie surprised everyone including us on how well she got through the surgery yesterday (Wednesday) she was done-started at 5.07pm and finished at 6.14pm and after 20 minutes she was walking though wobbly and she was eating.
She doesn't appear to be in pain, though NOT sure what to look for, have a bottle of Metacam incase-cost me $50.00 for the bottle, have some Tribrissen tablets which Jessie get's an eighth of a tablet twice a day, she has some protexin (probiotic) where she get's quarter of a sachet a day. She is also going to the vet every day apart from Sunday's and New Year's Day to have wound flushed. The vet wants to flush it again to make sure NO infection get's in there. As I am writing this Jessie is eating some Timothy hay.
I am so thankful she made it through the surgery, Ian dropped her off at 12.30pm, around 4.30pm we went to the surgery, and we refused to leave until Jessie was done and could come home. We were going crazy at home with worry.
Going to keep up the C&C and veggie juice every 4 hours until we see improvement in the weight department.
Boy has it been hot yesterday, will keep you posted and many thanks to one and all, both Ian and I are just so happy! We have everything crossed this will be the LAST time.

Thank you for being there! Kirsten our vet wants to know if we know of anyone who can do dental work on molars at back of the mouth of a piggy. Was wondering if you vet knew of anyone in South Australia? As she said when she got in there yesterday a guinea pigs mouth is so narrow and small and NOT much room to work.
I forgot to ask Kirsten our vet wants to know if we know of anyone who can do dental work on molars at back of the mouth of a piggy. Was wondering if anyone knew of a vet in South Australia? As she said when she got in there yesterday a guinea pigs mouth is so narrow and small and NOT much room to work. Especially with the big fiddly dental tools she has wh9ich are for a rodent but are too big for a piggy and you need 6 arms to use it and to work in a piggies mouth.
So any help or advise much appreciated. I know most of you are in the UK but some one may know of some one. I can but ask. Many thanks.
Have just syringe fed Jessie NOT sure how much a piggy should have as should imagine they have a tiny tummy and I know they store food in their cheeks, but Jessie had 10 X 1ml of Critical care, 7 X 1ml of veggie juice and 1.5 X 1ml of pre boiled water and she still wanted more and is now eating her veggies in her bowl
Will keep you posted and I just want to say thanks.
Am hoping this is a good side, if it wasn't for her wound and blood on her left side of her face you would NEVER know she had surgery.

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Post   » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:12 am


Here are the signs of pain: gl/pain.html

Hope she continues to do well!

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:53 am


Well Jessie has been to the quite a few times since my last report, and the nurses have NOT let us go with Jessie to watch and learn how to flush a wound. Now on Saturday Jan 2nd Jessie had lost weight and was 790grams. On Tuesday Jan 5th she was weighed again and she was 803grams, today Wednesday Jan 6th she was weighed again and she was 840grams. The nurses said there was more pus in the wound today, guess it was from my massaging the area.
Have made an appointment to see the vet Saturday as Jessie needs her ears clean, I tried to do it with olive oil and she would not let me, she also needs her front teeth cheeked as when we wipe her mouth the towel catches on the teeth and was wondering whether they grew when Jessie was not eating hay.
Have heard from the RSPCA and they reckon Jessie's problems sound genetic but that seems strange as it took 3 years to begin. Have also heard from the vet association who gave me names of some vets which I have emailed the details to my vet, so am hoping we can discuss it on Saturday.
Jessie's poops are still on the soft side looking like custard but colour normal. Will keep you posted.

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Post   » Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:47 am


A curved tip syringe and warm sterile saline solution can be used to flush it. I don't know why they can't show you how.

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:28 pm


Took Jessie to the vet today and she has another abscess, same spot as the last two. The vet can not operate till Wednesday of next week.
Am also suppossed to massage area(which I have been doing) and HOT flannel as compress, squeeze area to get pus out.
The vet is in a quandry as she is upset it has come back again and doesn't know what to do in the best interest of Jessie. She is going to do what she has done on last 2 occassions and that is to Marsupuial the area.
Jessie has also lost 60grams and is now back under 900grams.
The vet has prescribed FLAGYL S SUSPENSION 100MLS where I give her 4.4mls atwice a day and I was wondering if this medication was safe for guinea pigs. Remember Baytril affected Jessie and she stopped eating and urinating and pooping which is why Jessie is not on it.
Any help much appreciated, HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!

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Bytxlaura
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Post   » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:35 pm


Ask the vet to prescribe Bactrim. Ask for a longer course, such as 3, preferably 4 weeks. Unfortunately, abscesses are known to reoccur especially if they were deep ones.

Fingers crossed for Jessie!

Talishan
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Post   » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:43 pm


Ditto Bytx, but Flagyl (metronidazole) is safe for guinea pigs in the meantime. It's not a true antibiotic per se; it's an antimicrobial that can get rid of some bacteria, protozoans, etc. etc. various and sundry things. It's generally very well tolerated (unlike Baytril can be).

Having said that, what is the concentration? 4.4 mL twice a day is an enormous amount of medication for a small animal.

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Bytxlaura
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Post   » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:22 am


Oh, wow! I missed that part entirely :( I need more sleep.

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