What is this!?

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luv_my_guinea_pigz

Post   » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:53 am


I have been treating my guinea pig Alice for Bumblefoot. She is bedded on Polar fleece which is cleaned once a week. No wet newspaper. I check her everyday to give her Baytril and clean her paw.

Tonight I noticed pus coming out of her back! I squeezed all the pus out and it became a hole. What is this? Is this some type of ruptured abscess?

I never noticed any lumps, and I was weighing her daily. None of the other guinea pigs in her cage has any symptoms.

I have isolated her. The pus was thick, and cheese like. No smell.

Photos below: Can anyone tell me what is going on, or have seen this before?

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Regiane
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Post   » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:08 pm


To me it looks like a ruptured abcess.

You can fine some informations here:
http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=136

Hope others can help you with more informations soon.

CavyHeart

Post   » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:03 pm


It could also be a ruptured sebaceous cyst. One of my guinea pigs, Vincent, had a similar oozing bump on his back near the hip. Previously, it had been a painless, jelly-like lump usually hidden by his long fur. When it ruptured, it formed a hole in the middle top of it that looked a lot like your photos.

As was pointed out when I inquired about it, the color of the gunk that comes out varies depending on the color of the skin and hair surrounding it. Since your guinea pig's skin and hair around the hole are light in color, the discharge from a cyst would be pale, too. The gunk from Vincent's cyst was also very thick, grainy, and had an extremely strong, foul smell like dirty gym socks. It was quite distinctive, if nothing else.

Other signs of infection around the site that would more strongly indicate that it was an abscess instead. For example, if it felt very warm to the touch, was extremely red, and/or if it were painful for you to touch near it. However, since Alice is on antibiotics, it could be suppressing these kinds of symptoms.

It still could be an abscess, so I would say you should definitely have a vet who is knowledgeable about guinea pigs look at it right away.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:23 pm


You can have a sebaceous-like cyst that becomes infected too. Ditto on the warm to touch etc. for helping to determine if it is an abscess.

Let me know if you'd like me to permanently add your pictures to this thread (that way if they are removed from the location where they are hosted, future readers will still be able to see them here).

Sometimes these things recur and it is only from a surgical removal of the site that it is "cured".

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I would also keep an eye on it.

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Jaycey
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Post   » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:23 pm


That looks exactly like my Listers cyst. He had one on his left side which left a hole like that when it was emptied out.

CavyHeart is right about the pus being different colours depending on the skin. I learnt that here. Lister has black skin so the pus was grey coloured.

Definitely keep an eye on it as Lynx suggests. Lister's never seemed to bother him, and it stayed empty and the same size for ages. Suddenly it refilled and grew. I chose to had it surgically removed.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:20 pm


I think I actually learned it when reading one of my vet books (and passed it on).

The pictures look more like an abscess than sebaceous cyst like material (i.e. not like a follicular cyst with keratinous material).

WICharlie

Post   » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:52 pm


I strongly suggest a vet visit. The vet will clean the "hole" out completely and will probably went you to flush it several times a day while it heals. I would not be surprised if the vet would also prescribe an antibiotic.

I would inspect this pig completely to see if there are anymore of these on her.

I have to admit to feeling a little gaggy looking at these pictures. The hardest condition for me to deal with with the rescue pigs was probably when I had one with an abcess. It's just kinda gross. I have a pretty good stomach for almost all other things.

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luv_my_guinea_pigz

Post   » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:10 pm


Hi Everyone,

Thank you for your fantastic replies it really does help.

I have booked an appointment for an exotics vet this Saturday for 10am. My normal vet is not on call so best I could do at the moment. I've never been to this vet but they are cavy savvy.

Lynx - Would be appreciated if you could keep the photos up, (as gross as they are!). I think they can help others in the future know what this is.

Cavyheart - I don't think it is too infected as it is not warm or hot to touch, and there is no smell. I think it is a little painful however she lets me touch it. I am giving her Baytril antibiotics 0.3ml still at the moment although I've almost run out.

Jaycey - Thanks for the info with Lister, I had a look at your reference thread it looks the same! Would it be worth having is removed now I wonder?

UPDATE: Overnight it scabbed over. I squeezed all the pus out until there was just clear liquid and blood.

I have a few questions:

Do I have to make sure the wound remains open? I washed it with warm water reopened it (the hole now is VERY small compared to yesterday)

How do I flush it out? I have no curved syringes, the pharmacy here does not sell them. At the moment I am just filling the hold with antiseptic Betadine solution.

Can I stop it from scabbing over somehow? Can I fill the hole with a cream?

Sorry for all the questions, I just never knew this could happen! I've dealt with abscesses and malocclusion before but never this.

WICharlie- I agree very graphic pics... I still feel quite ill from looking at them. I just hope my baby girl gets better.

Thank you all. Shall keep you updated.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:33 pm


Ask your vet for some syringes if you can't find them anywhere else. I'm surprised your pharmacy doesn't have any.

Just for possible future use This Little Piggy Marketplace has great supplies. She should be under the Guinea Pig Related topic on here.

Talishan
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Post   » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:51 am


Got it!

That is just the first site that came up. Key in "curved tip syringe Australia" and you may get more. Dentists and oral surgeons also often have these because they give them to patients to flush the sockets left after dental extractions. Craft and hobby stores sometimes sell them for precise application of glue and paint, etc.

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Jaycey
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Post   » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:30 am


I'm in the UK and couldn't find the curved syringes at a pharmacy, and the vets didn't have them either. I found mine at a craft store, and bought a handful whilst they were there. I have no idea why they would be in a craft store, but they were.

When Lister's lump/hole was like Alice's I did take him to the vet and we were given Baytril, and I kept flushing until there was nothing in the hole. The hole stayed there and I kept checking. At that point I chose not to have it removed, as it wasn't bothering him.

It wasn't until it became larger and inflamed that I chose to have it removed. I don't think it was bothering Lister still, but the size of it scared me, it was about an inch in diameter. Lister was quite a healthy little guy so I though the anaesthetic wouldn't be an issue with him, and I trusted my vet enough to feel comfortable with them performing the operation.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:11 am


Thanks for the pics. I cropped them slightly and compressed them so they will download quickly.

Those curved tip syringes are absolutely fabulous for flushing.

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I think everyone should have a couple around!

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luv_my_guinea_pigz

Post   » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:22 pm


Thanks All,

I went to three pharmacies yesterday and they did not have them even showed them a picture!

I have been looking for these syringes for around 8 years in Australia and no luck.

I shall order them from overseas. Thanks Talishan for the GOT IT website but when I clicked buy now it went straight to Amazon.com. :( for $5.60 each!

Would happily pay someone to send me a couple :)

I am heading to the vet tomorrow morning, they should have some I hope! My other exotics vet didn't.

Alice is doing okay, the hole keeps scabbing over. I try to pull it apart again and soak it in water but it just forms a scab within half an hour.

Shall come back with what the vet says.

Thanks Lynx for helping with the pictures, shall take some more shots tonight of what it looks like.

You have all been wonderful- Thank you for your comments. :)

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:04 pm


That is discouraging that they come from Amazon. They originally looked so cheap! Shipping is expensive (and would bump up the cost to you significantly - perhaps as much as the Amazon price).

Talishan
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Post   » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:43 pm


Oh jeez, I've got an entire box of them. Send me your snail mail address through the mailer if you want me to try to send you a couple. I don't know how long it will take them to get there, though.

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luv_my_guinea_pigz

Post   » Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:39 am


Oh thank you Talishan!! I shall msg you shortly, I can pay through pay pal if that's easiest for you :)

I saw the vet - She was okay not my regular vet.
The hole is situated near the bone, and it is VERY deep. She opened it up and flushed it (she didn't have any curved tipped syringes either >.<) But the saline solution didn't come back up? It just stayed in the hole...

She stopped flushing and prescribed 0.5ml Flagyl once a day. She said I should just try keep the hole open, don't flush it with betadine as it might stop it from healing as quickly.

She said that the hole was quite odd as it was so deep. She thinks it could of been an abscess which went really deep as it was "eating" down into the tissue. When I started the baytril for Alice's bumblefoot she thinks it it may have started fighting the infection and then it burst.

Would it be worth taking her to my regular exotics vet and getting her to look at this as well? Or should I just do my best do keep it clean and open until next week?

Talishan
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Post   » Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:00 am


"Would it be worth taking her to my regular exotics vet and getting her to look at this as well?"

In my opinion, yes. It will be an additional charge of course but since this vet was not familiar with this type of problem, if it were me I'd want to see my regular vet for a second (and more familiar) opinion. Betadine in my experience is exactly what you DO want to use for a wound granulating from the inside out. The vet may be thinking of peroxide, which will kill off healthy tissue and which you would not want to use in a hole.

PM me your address. I looked on the USPS web site and international first class is not that expensive. Any of the express or traceable services are, though. I just don't want it to take six months to get to you. If we do an express or traceable, we can split the $ (and you take her to your regular vet with the rest, how's that? ;-)

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:00 am


I am surprised none of the flushable saline came out. I can't imagine where it would go. Warm sterile saline solution (available at a human pharmacy) should work well when you get the syringes.

Talishan
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Post   » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:01 pm


I really hate to let you down, but when I went to the mailboxes place this afternoon I nearly passed out.

UPS: US $89 and it wouldn't get there until the 13th.

USPS expedited international: US $47 or something and it still wouldn't get there until next week.

DHL: they didn't know and said the owner of the place would call and call me back. I doubt they'll be able to get it to you in a reasonable period of time, though.

USPS International first class: US $4 and Lord only knows when it gets there, by October maybe and no way to trace it.

I'll send you an email but please see about the ones off Amazon. The money doesn't bother me so much as the time. Alice's hole will be completely closed over by the 13th. I'm hopeful Amazon (or somebody) can get them to you quicker.

Better yet, how's this?

http://www.midwifeshopaustralia.com/kendall-monoject-412-syringe-curved-tip-12ml-50-per-box

I'll split the cost with you (if you can take Paypal). You don't need 50 of them, but then you can send them to others in Australia if you are willing to do so. What do you think?

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:06 pm


Yes, shipping to Australia is a killer. I recently sent a book First Class International. Hope it gets there in a timely manner!

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