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4/9/2012, 1:07 pm
TwoWhitePiggies   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
TwoWhitePiggies
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Less than a week ago, Frost decided he was tired of his fur and has barbered his entire tummy, front and back legs, and now is working on his back haunches. Other than this weird new activity, he's eating, drinking, and acting normal. He and Milo both lost some weight within a couple of weeks of us moving, but they seem to have leveled out.

If it wasn't for the fact that he's NEVER done this before, I wouldn't be as concerned, but we adopted frost when he was about three months old and have had him for five years and four months and this is the first time he's done this.

The skin doesn't look particularly irritated. It's just naked.

I'll take a picture tonight when I get home from work. We will pick up some ivermectin when we're in Emporia this evening (their farm & ranch supply has it) in case it's mites, but is there anything else we should be concerned about?

We had also concerned the possibility that he's developed some allergies being in a new environment. We're surrounded by heavily pollinating trees right now, and he's been sneezing once in a while, though he doesn't appear to have a URI.
4/9/2012, 1:16 pm
TwoWhitePiggies   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
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Sorry about that, I didn't realize TWP_2 was at work posting at the exact same time about this. Can you close one of these threads, mods?
4/9/2012, 4:58 pm
Tracis   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
Tracis
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Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

TWP_2's post is here:

Frost: Self-barbering. Mites? Similar to Linus' hair loss?

TWP_2 wrote:
"Diana and I have been monitoring Frost due to some apparent hair loss on his abdomen. The hair loss has been spreading, and we're fairly sure he's barbering the hair (rather than it falling out).

We just moved a month ago, and during the move both of the pigs lost a little weight. We are concerned, because Linus (Frost's uncle) displayed weight loss and hair loss before his decline and death in February.

We're monitoring weight (still down about 100 grams, to about 850g, from pre-move). We're also going to pick up a new bottle of Ivermectin to do a topical dose in case this is mites. AND we're monitoring ear margins and other health signs that showed up in Linus with his heart issues.

Is there anything else we should be looking at? We have seriously considered the possibility that, after having lived in the same house and location for five years, that Frost is exhibiting behavior as a result of stress. Is that possible?"
4/9/2012, 5:15 pm
Tracis   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
Tracis
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Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Sending good thoughts for Linus, and I hope you get some answers soon.

I asked a good friend about this, since she has dealt with barbering twice, with two different girls.

Girl #1 had a tumor; she was actually barbering the spot where the tumor was located internally.

Girl #2 had a series of x-rays to rule out the possibility of any tumors (none found, thank goodness). She also had fecal tests to locate parasites (also none found). The vet feels that the cause of her barbering seems to be boredom. As long as Girl #2 has something to do, she doesn't seem to chew on her fur as often.
4/9/2012, 5:27 pm
angiemthomas   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
angiemthomas





Sometimes a piggy will barber another piggy when that pig is sick. Like a way of comforting. I hope this is not the case and your piggy is just bored and taking up hairstyling!
4/9/2012, 5:55 pm
TwoWhitePiggies   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
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Frost is definitely barbering himself.
4/9/2012, 10:00 pm
Lynx   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
Lynx
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We had one rare case of a hairball (I forget the name for it - starts with a t).If he is ingesting lots of hair, it may be possible to develop this.
4/9/2012, 10:17 pm
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bpatters
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And got the T-shirt

Trichobezoar.
4/9/2012, 11:07 pm
PinkRufus   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
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I would have him x-rayed to check for gas and/or tumors. My Edgar had a bout with mild bloat and was chewing holes in his bedding. Since he has no hair to barber, he tried to eat my hair! It sounds like it may be pain related. Since he's chewing the insides of his legs, I would screen for arthritis as well.
4/9/2012, 11:20 pm
Kermie831   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
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I have also had an experience like Tracis' friend who had a barber chew their hair in the area where an internal tumor was located.
4/10/2012, 8:34 am
Lynx   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
Lynx
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p.s. I added this to the hair loss page under barbering:

Barbering can also be triggered by pain or discomfort (gas, bloat, or other discomfort). Tumors have occasionally been found internally in the barbered location.
4/10/2012, 9:44 pm
TwoWhitePiggies   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
TwoWhitePiggies
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We picked up some ivermectin to make sure it's not mites. With the stress of losing Tom and Linus and the move, we wanted to rule that out.

I will start calling tomorrow to identify an exotics vet in Lawrence. If I can't find anyone I feel good about there, we'll have to take the boys to K-State.

He is comfortable being petted. Can bloat be otherwise unnoticeable? When we've had troubles with other guys, they didn't like to be touched or handled and you could usually see bulges.
4/11/2012, 1:43 am
Talishan   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
Talishan
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You can quote me

"Can bloat be otherwise unnoticeable?"

Generally not. Stasis can be unnoticeable at first physiologically, but they'll still (usually, anyway) show signs of discomfort, lethargy, puffing up etc.

A photo would really be helpful.
4/11/2012, 2:53 am
TWP_2   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
TWP_2





We'll get a photo up soon, we took a couple of good ones this evening in the sunlight.

We dosed them this evening with the standard dose of Ivermectin (by weight). We'll follow up at 7 and 14 days, and continue monitoring. If it's mites I expect we'll see improvement within a day or two.

He does seem to be going after only areas that are regularly in contact with bedding (abdomen, legs, sides). But then he can most easily reach those areas, too.
4/11/2012, 12:37 pm
TwoWhitePiggies   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
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Pictures:

This is Frost.



This is Frost's handiwork on his belly. He's done most of this since the weekend.



The skin itself looks healthy and not especially irritated. There are no urine stains or signs of a contact problem.
4/11/2012, 1:21 pm
Tracis   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
Tracis
Queen of the Morlocks


Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

He has such an adorable face. :)

I am hoping that the ivermectin treatments are the solution.
4/11/2012, 1:28 pm
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slavetofuzzy
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Frost is FIVE? Wow. I hope this clears up or you find a solution/reason he's doing it.
4/11/2012, 1:59 pm
PinkRufus   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
PinkRufus



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That doesn't look particularly like gas/bloat. Fluid retention maybe?
4/11/2012, 7:47 pm
Lynx   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
Lynx
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What a cutie! And he certainly has done a number on his abdominal hair!
4/11/2012, 9:09 pm
TwoWhitePiggies   Link to Post Go to the top of this page  
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We started the ivermectin last night. We'll see pretty quickly, I think, if the mites were a problem. I'm afraid I'll come home to find him naked everywhere except his nose. He's industrious when he puts his mind to something, that's for sure.

Another GLer posted on my facebook page that I might need to try an antifungal and children's liquid Benedryl. Thoughts?
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