Odd Little Cannoli - a Medical Thread

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PooksiedAnimals
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Post   » Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:07 pm


I've had Cannoli for a couple of years, and have managed to put off starting a medical thread. Noli is part teddy - she has mostly the kinky fur (with a small patch of straight hair near her butt). She'll be 3 years old in October. I suspect she's saving up heart trouble for a future post and heartache, but for today she has flakiness issues.

She had the typical dry skin and flakiness on her back in the winter. That cleared up by itself. But just Friday I noticed the inside of one ear was extremely dry and flaky. The whole inside flap, and just a tiny bit of the outside near the bottom. Rest of her looks good. I threw a little mineral oil on it, because I discovered it literally 5 minutes before I had to leave for the weekend. Oy! Why do pigs do that?!?! But when I got back home yesterday, it was as flaky as it was before.

So - ringworm? it's got that crusty look to it. I can get a photo if that would help. Being a teddy, it might just be bad skin? She's completely clean otherwise, as is her roommate. Should I put a little monistat on it, just to be safe? Or just treat it with aloe for a few days? What's your opinion? Thanks.

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Post   » Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:14 pm


Monistat probably won't hurt. If it's not caused by a fungus, it also won't help, although the cream in it could soothe things.

Cold pressed virgin coconut oil has both antifungal and antibacterial properties. You could also try that.

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PooksiedAnimals
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Post   » Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:13 pm


Ooh. I have coconut oil. I would rather try that first. Thanks.

Talishan
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Post   » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:28 pm


Ditto.

I would not assume ringworm just yet; that's not the most common way it initially manifests. I'd assume dry skin, a commoner (and less problematic) fungus, and/or plain old teddy skin weirdness to start. I think your plan is a good one.

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Post   » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:46 pm


The coconut oil did the trick for the flaky ear. Thanks for the tip.

Bigger issues now - she's losing weight. She had been a bit overweight since Pinniped was sick late last year. So I wasn't too worried about the first bit of weight loss. In June I started to worry - she had lost over 100g. We went to the vet, and got a clean bill of health (other than a slightly elevated temp, which was blamed on stress). Clean lungs, good teeth. She had been around 1010g at the time. I was told to come back if she dropped another 50g or more.

Cannoli acts fine. I've seen enough sick pigs, but she's not showing any of it. She's happy, and active. She eats with gusto, and digs right in when food appears. She gets along fine with Boadicea. She occasionally has sticky poo. She occasionally wheezes. She rarely lays down when playing (but not in the exhausted way I've seen with heart pigs).

Cannoli had stabilized for a while, but then began to lose again late in July. We brought her in again. Vet checked for ovarian cysts. Nothing showed up on the ultrasound. She did a cheek swab and fecal test for a series of illnesses, and it all came back clean. Teeth look good (and she's not struggling to eat!). We're trying to think of what to check next.

I am feeding Cannoli some critical care any time she drops below 900g. I'm wondering thyroid? What else could it be?

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Post   » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:01 pm


Did the vet do an urinalysis or X-ray for stones? You didn't mention any pain when passing urine or feces so I am sure you have already thought about that possibility. I don't have as much experience as you do so I always think about the illnesses I have experienced. One of those was stones and it did cause weight loss with my Zoe.

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PooksiedAnimals
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Post   » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:42 pm


No sign of URI or stones: no smelly urine, no blood, no problem peeing.

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LS in AK
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Post   » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:14 am


No ideas to add, but wanted to say that I had a 5 yo sow do the gradual weight loss thing over a 6-7 month period before she passed away. Took her to the vet for any and every diagnostic we could think of, and never found anything wrong. Except for the weight loss, she was pretty happy - behavior more or less normal - up until the end.

Of course, if there truly is a problem, I hope you can find and fix it.

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PooksiedAnimals
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Post   » Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:04 am


I've had older pigs do that. God, Cannoli's not even 3 years old yet. She's too damn young to be pulling this stunt.

Talishan
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Post   » Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:11 am


My best guess is also thyroid.

Ask the vet to gently palpate the neck, throat, and jaw area. There is a blood test (T4), but it's a special order (not part of the standard small mammal panel), and blood is so awfully hard to get from these guys. See if the vet can discern any nodule, small lump or mass first IMO.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:19 am


Read this about Figlet and hyperthyroidism:
http://www.guinealynx.info/records/viewtopic.php?t=151

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JaneDoe

Post   » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:16 pm


That's what Pepsi's problem was. Unfortunately, it wasn't diagnosed until necropsy.

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PooksiedAnimals
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Post   » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:23 pm


Thank you for the info. I will push for thyroid tests tomorrow.

Talishan
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Post   » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:31 am


Good luck and please keep us posted.

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JaneDoe

Post   » Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:04 am


Blame it on the painkillers--it was adrenal with Pepsi, no thyroid. Good luck.

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PooksiedAnimals
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Post   » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:14 pm


So - Cannoli has been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism (which I find vastly amusing, because she's now on the same meds I am to treat Grave's Disease).

Huzzah! A diagnosis. The vet was so positive it was not the thyroid, because she palpitated both Cannoli and Boadicea, and they felt the same - she couldn't feel any lumps in Noli. So we did the blood test (best draw ever - god that can be such an awful process), and sure enough, it came back high for they thyroid. She said a 6? Must be a different test/scale that for humans - for us the lower the number, the more active the thyroid. Anyway - this number was really high. Which given Cannoli's condition, I'm not surprised. I picked up the methimazole tonight - she's on 1.25mg a day, and we'll monitor her for the next couple of weeks.

For those of you who had pigs on methimazole - did you have it compounded or just give them a fraction of a pill?

Thank all of you that responded. I pushed for the test, confident that the thyroid was the direction to go.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:45 pm


So glad you have a diagnosis! I hope the medication does the trick (no advice - just good wishes!).

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mmeadow
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Post   » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:11 am


Scooby, our super-special first pig, had hyperthyroidism. She was anorexic and losing weight despite being fed a whopping 60 cc's of Critical Care a day. Her temp and heart rate were slightly elevated, I think. Blood work was frustratingly inconclusive, but she was started on the cat protocol for methimazole in lieu of data on cavies. I wish Dr. O. hadn't been as cautious, since it took weeks of slow increases to get to a dose where she felt better, ate nearly enough on her own, and could keep the weight on.

The methimazole came in liquid form from the animal hospital pharmacy.

Keep us posted on Cannoli!

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:36 am


Perhaps you could post your dosing (how much for how long, when it started to help)? Is there a thread about Scooby's treatment?

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JaneDoe

Post   » Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:30 am


So glad you have a diagnosis. I still feel guilty about Pepsi.

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