She was alright when she was on Baytril but not when off. I am very worried and would like to have the advice from the piggy lover on how to handle the little creature.
Kindly please help!
If it is bacterial enteritis, the baytril would have helped. Another drug is a trimethoprim sulfa combination (30mg/kg PO q12). They recommend using either of these drugs on rabbits (I imagine the advice would be similar for guinea pigs) until a culture and sensitivity tests are obtained.
It could be there is more than one bacteria at work and the baytril slows down but does not eliminate the one that is recurring. They mention E. coli as most likely.
I´ll keep reading to see if I can find anything out. Did your vet do a stool sample to check for parasites and disease organisms?
What was the baytril dose your vet was giving? It could be it is not enough to knock it out but only control it. Some people have problems with baytril though -- and will stop eating.
Pinta has recommended feeding a poop from a healthy pig. The best ones would be the cecal pellets that are reingested for their nutrients.
Kaopectate, according to Squeak´s Page, can be used. She mentioned Bismuth being helpful (1cc 4 times a day for a 2 pound pig) and if it is extremely serious, flagyl (Metronidazole) works extremely well.
Diarrhea is dehydrating. Make sure she gets lots of fluid. A hydration subcue treatment from the vet can help if it is serious.
"Unflavoured pedialyte is excellent. It remains fresh for only about 48 hours. I freeze the leftovers in ice cube trays. (Hopefully, the electrolytes aren´t affected by freezing.) About 60cc fluid daily is necessary to maintain an adult pig. "
Edited by Lynx on 3/9/2002, 4:05 pm
Diarrhea can cause dehydration. A hydration subcue treatment can be very helpful. Unflavoured pedialyte is recommended for syringing
The info below is from Tex Green, Guinea Pigs Online. It was in regards to a different pig but the
info might be useful. People are free to contact him, if they need clarification or
have more questions email@example.com
piggie to an experienced exotics vet as soon as you can! Diarrhea can be
fatal if it is not diagnosed and treated properly.
What form is the diarrhea taking? Is it just soft droppings, a watery mess,
or a black, foul-smelling watery mess? If it is the last, you need to get
her to a vet *immediately*, as it indicates a very serious intestinal
problem (it can be caused by a number of things: antibiotics, eating
spoiled [moldy] hay or vegetables).
If it is a milder case of diarrhea, and you piggie is still eating,
withhold all greens, and give plenty of hay. In addition, an electrolyte
replacer such as Pedialyte given by dropper can help (Gatorade can be used
as well; the sugar is not good for her, but you need to get fluids into
her). There is some kind of imbalance in her intestinal system; the
beneficial bacteria have been disrupted. Acidophillus powder (found in
health food stores) or a cc of yogurt (with "live cultures") should be
given to help the digestive tract. There is also a product called
"Bene-bac" that I have used with some success (it´s available in larger pet
stores, at the vet and at some online pet supply vendors). The best thing
to use is a crushed-up dropping or two from a healthy piggie. Yes, it
sounds gross, but it is natural for guinea pigs. Guinea pigs re-ingest
certain droppings (called "coprophagy") to keep their digestive systems
healthy, as well as gain some nutrients that are produced in the cecum.
Although a "plain" dropping is not what a piggie would normally ingest, it
is certainly better than what the sick piggie has available.
What I normally do for a piggie with diarrhea is make a "mash mix", using a
dollop of yogurt, a crushed dropping, some powdered food pellets and enough
Pedilyte to make it into a mash that can be drawn into an oral syringe.
(The total amount should only be about 5cc or so, as they usually don´t
like the taste of it). If you can get your vet to approve the use of
Oxbow´s Critical Care formula (have him call 1-800-249-0366), mix the
powder with some Pedialyte and either crushed dropping or Acidophillus
powder, and administer by syringe. The Critical Care is quite tasty; every
piggie I´ve had to use it with loves it (a much better time is had by
all!). Do this at least three times a day (along with regular food and
water), and try and get water or Pedialyte into her as often as possible.
The suggestions I´ve made should only be undertaken after you´ve spoken
with a competent vet; they are not "in place of" a vet visit.
Please e-mail me any time if you have questions or concerns, and keep us
updated on your piggie´s progress.
Edited by pinta on 1/3/2002, 4:16 pm
I have made an appointment with my vet early tomorrow morning. I will ask the vet to do a stool sample and see if that help.
I read Baytril oral 2.5% from the medicine bottle. I give 0.2 mm / dosage to my guniea pig twice a day.
I am not familiar with the terms like cecal pallet, Kaopectate, Bismuth, flagyl... Shall I discuss with my vet and see what is the optimal solution to my pig.
For the treatment to Giardia, my friend mention something like "Pencly...(spelling???)". Have you ever heard anything about this?
Looking forward to hearing your advice.
Thanks very much.
Flagyl is a drug (metronidazole). Cecal pellets is poop. Kaopectate ia a standard brand of over-the-counter indigestion/diarrhea aid(don´t have a bottle to look at but I´m pretty sure that´s what it´s for). Bismuth is the pink stuff that is in those over-the-counter indigestion preparations(pretty sure anyway). You could probably do a search on Google http://www.google.com/ for more info.
Print this page out and show it to your vet.
On the other hand, I have followed Tex´s advice and give the pig a slice of banana, acidophillus (2 hrs after the antibiotic) on top of the Critical Care. Tex has given me a lot of advices. I will try to do things slowly.
I will update the situation of my pig soon.
Thanks for the assistance.
This is worth reading. I picked it up from a post by Rosalee at Cavy Madness.
Now, I also suspect the long intake of anti-biotics distroy the beneficial intestinal flora which therefore induce diarrhea. At the moment, I give BB 0.2mm Baytril / dosage twice a day. Two hours after each dosage, I will give BB a quarter tablet of acidophillus and 25 - 30 cc Critical care (1:3 mix). Is this Okay? Please let me have your advice. Thanks very much.
** Nature has a better way! Poop from a healthy guinea pig is the best probiotic ever! I take one "pellet" and mix it with water and feed it by syringe. It sounds nasty but it has saved more pigs than I can count. Any time I have a pig with any sort of intestinal upset I do this. It is known as "re-seeding the gut flora". There are other names for it too. The beauty of it is that the poop has a special chemical in it that keeps it from being digested in the stomach so it makes it down to the colon, where the problem occurs. - Sharlene Scheffer (sp?) RVT
You can´t go wrong with Critical Care and the acidophilus can´t hurt but a poop would be optimum.
The last time we had a diarrhea case from antibiotics, we put the pig on Flagyl, 25mg twice a day for 7 days. It cleared up nicely and didn´t return.
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BB drinks a lot of water - around 100 ml more than ever before. Is it because of the anti-biotics? Is that normal?
I read from some article over the web that the piggy usually lose appetite when on anti-biotics. However, there is minimal influence on my piggy. Is that normal?
Today is the fifth day of the 4th round of Baytril. Her droppings are still soft, but in good shape (solid), not smelly. Is that Okay?
I will stop the Baytril on Friday. I start to worry about BB after that.
Moreover, do you provide pallet and other treats when giving the ´poop´. At the moment, I offer Oxbow pallet, Timothy Hay, Critical Care and Acidophillus.
Last but not the least, we are getting a short supply on Oxbow pallet. Shall I change to American Pet Dinner or Mazuri for my pigs?
So did the vet do the culture, after all? Results?
I agree with Pinta, Flagyl sounds like a good option, since the Baytril seems to be just a temporary fix. Just so you can get all those names in line, Flagyl is an antibiotic used in the treatment of Inflammatory Bowel Disease, colitis and Crohn´s disease.
I will take BB to the vet on Saturday morning. If the diarrhea returns, I will ask the vet to do the culture / flotation test, etc. and take the appropriate action.
By the way, how long I should continue with the poop. It is extremely awful to me and BB.
I have attached the photo of my babies for your interest. (BB on the left and Fatty on the right.)
BTW, I am my pigs mom, I just LOVE the quote on your posts. I think you should have that poem framed!
If the poops thing isn´t working out too well for you, make it just a very little bit of poop from the outside (from a fresh one -- more likely to have beneficial bacteria). Something is better than nothing. It can be murder to fight with an uncooperative pig.