Blood spots on Lacey’s bedding

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:20 am


Lacey has a vet appt. this afternoon. I noticed blood streaks on her bedding last night. I changed out the bedding and put her on white towels. There were spots again this morning. I checked her over twice and cannot find a source - no noticeable injury, nothing on her feet, stomach, privates or around her mouth. No lumps or bumps.

When I put her back in her pen she peed, no sign of blood in the urine. She is eating and exploring as usual, her eyes are bright. I haven’t seen any indication of pain. This is her first vet visit and this vet treats guinea pigs. He has also treated 2 of our dogs over the years including surgeries. So I’m all stressed out worrying about her.

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:20 am


I'm not familiar enough with female reproductive issues to know if this may be something related to that, but I do know that a guinea pig can throw clots if they have a bladder stone. You will typically see blood in the urine as result of bladder inflammation or secondary infection, but not always. It's good that she's getting checked out, for your own peace of mind if nothing else.

Good luck and let us know what you find out.

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Post   » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:24 pm


Sows can also bleed during a heat period, although they usually don't.

Are you seeing actual clots, or just concentrated spots of blood.

If you don't see any more today, but if it recurs in a couple of weeks, I'd assume it's heat-related. That might be indicative of hormonal or other reproductive issues.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:48 pm


I’m not seeing clots. Just a few smears and faint little spots of blood on her white bedding. I am feeding her some purple leaf lettuce, but the smears are too concentrated to be urine stains. And I can see where she peed isn’t stained. It’s almost like an injury, like when we get a paper cut and see a smear on the paper.

bpatters
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Post   » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:47 pm


I'd guess a reproductive issue -- maybe benign if it's heat-related, else maybe not.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:45 pm


Just got back from the vet. He suspects a UTI. He checked her privates and she was wet and had just peed. He said with a bladder slightly smaller than a thimble, he wouldn’t be getting a urine sample. It looked like there were some sore spots, like she’s been cleaning herself, maybe itchy or burning, and irritated the skin.

He prescribed Baytril 0.3 cc of a 2.27% injectable solution every 12 hours. He said right away no penicillin, so that gave me some confidence. He also checked her teeth with a scope, checked her ears, and general body condition.

I mentioned this forum and he said, “They have a wealth of good information.” So hopefully he knows his stuff.

Before I give the first dose I want to double check with the dose calculator.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:56 pm


I think you've been doing this for a while so you know to watch for inappetence with the Baytril. If you have problems, I would talk to the vet and see if you can switch to Bactrim, which is better tolerated and seems to be more effective on UTIs.
http://www.guinealynx.info/antibiotic_advice.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/uti.html

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:53 pm


Agree, I would have wanted Bactrim vs. Baytril, but hopefully the Baytril will clear up the suspected infection without causing any issues. Getting a urine sample is not all that difficult and would have been helpful from a diagnostic standpoint, but if it's indeed a UTI and assuming the bacteria responds to that particular antibiotic, you should expect for the bleeding to clear up in a few days.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:45 am


Thanks for the feedback. I’ll be tracking her weight each morning and making sure she’s eating. Only 2 doses so far.

The vet is a good one and in high demand, but I agree he should have tried for a culture. He said he sees a lot of UTIs. He talked about the importance of gut health and keeping food moving at all times. He had pigs himself and I could tell he genuinely likes them. So I have mixed feelings that maybe he should have done more or maybe he sees a lot of guinea pigs.

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Renonvsparky

Post   » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:56 am


Some vets don't run tests for things they feel are typical symptoms of problems they've seen many times. Those tests can be pretty pricey so they don't want to run them unless absolutely necessary in order to save you the expense and the stress on the animal for something that tells them what they already know. They mean well. Unless I'm mistaken (I'm sure you guys will correct me on this), in the case of a URI, Bactrim and Baytril can treat it effectively with manageable side effects. That may be why he elected not to run the test.

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Sef
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Post   » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:22 am


A sterile sample would have determined if there was blood in the urine vs. blood somewhere in the reproductive system, but by process of elimination you should see improvement on the antibiotic if it is indeed a UTI -- again, assuming that the bacteria is sensitive to Baytril.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:56 am


I think you hit the nail on the head, Renonvsparky. Classic UTI symptoms, the vet sees a lot of them, pig is otherwise healthy and active, a broad spectrum antibiotic appropriate for guinea pigs should do the trick.

She’s only had 4 doses so far but I’m cautiously optimistic. I’m putting white fleece in the corners to watch for blood. Overnight only 2 pale spots as opposed to several definite blood spots the previous 2 nights. She’s eating well and I have BeneBac on the way just in case. I upped the vitamin C to 2 tabs daily which is 50 mg. I also got some of the Oxbow Urinary Care tabs but she’s not a fan.

An exotic vet clinic in Las Vegas had info on their website about vitamin C. They recommend 90mg daily for healthy pigs, and 150 mg for recuperating pigs. They listed veggies with vitamin C and said it was impossible to get all the nutrient from food alone. I should have bookmarked the site because today I can’t find it.

I appreciate all the feedback and info from everyone.

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Sef
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Post   » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:44 am


I'm not sure I agree with that suggested daily C requirement, which is quite high. Most veterinary sources list the requirement between 25mg-50mg daily for healthy animals.

As has been discussed here before, there is the potential for higher levels of C over a prolonged period of time to cause a condition known as "pseudo survy" which presents with many of the same symptoms as scurvy.

I would also disagree that a guinea pig cannot obtain adequate vitamin C through diet alone. Were that true, owners would be seeing signs of deficiency left and right.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:07 pm


I was surprised at that myself and thought it was quite high. I’ll stick to supplementing 25-50 mg while she’s recovering and then back to half that amount when she is well. She gets pellets and peppers so vitamin C should not be an issue.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:54 pm


Unless things change, Lacey will be headed back to a vet tomorrow. She’s not interested in hay or pellets, only fresh veggies, fresh grass, and corn husks. So she’s still eating fresh food. She was drinking a lot of water up until earlier today, now not so much. My bigger concern is that she hasn’t pooped today. She was going last night and everything was fine but nothing today. So now I’m concerned about her digestion stopping.

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Sef
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Post   » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:03 pm


Sounds like the Baytril is affecting her appetite--a common problem with that particular antibiotic. See if they will switch her to Bactrim. Does she seem at all bloated? They may need to give her a motility drug to help jump-start her gut. Keep us posted.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:35 am


Of course these things always happen evenings and weekends. So I got worried and called the Blue Pearl emergency vet. Talked to the tech who said they treat guinea pigs but don’t specialize in exotics. She recommended I have her seen there tonight rather than wait until morning to see a local vet that does treat exotics. So we took her in and the vet was pretty much clueless. They don’t have any probiotics or motility meds, but she said some people try yogurt. I told her that dairy was a bad idea with guinea pigs. They gave her sub-cu fluids and sent me home with CriticalCare and a bunch of syringes In 2 different sizes. Then they said I should check with a local clinic tomorrow morning, which is what I asked on the phone to begin with.

The only bright spot is Lacey pooped in her carry crate. Poops are green and softer but she’s been eating mostly veggies and corn husk for 12 hours.

I gave her a tummy massage and she’s squishy, not firm like a balloon so I don’t think she has bloat.

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:00 am


Crazy as it may sound, it's entirely possible that the vibration from the car ride may have stimulated her gut enough to get it moving again. Fluids would have helped as well, so not a wasted trip.

Glad she is a little better this morning! And yes, never fails (weekends, holidays, right before you go on vacation, etc.).

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:26 am


I think Sef may be right on saying the car ride may have helped.

I think of green poops as the stinky special cecal poops that are very smelly. Usually you don't see them and the guinea pig reingests them.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:33 pm


Overnight Lacey had a small amount of poops and some wet bedding so digestion and peeing is taking place. Just not as much output. She drank water this morning and wheeked when I sliced an apple. She only picks at her hay and pellets, but has more enthusiasm for lettuce, cilantro, cucumber and corn husk. I found some grass and a dandelion green outside and she ate that right up.

I thought about the cecal poops and I notice her reaching under herself and grooming so she may be pooping and reingesting just to throw me off the track.

I stopped the Baytril so she only got 6 doses, but I think her digestion has to get back in shape to handle any AB. Her regular vet isn’t open weekends, but there is another one who treats guinea pigs and exotics and they’re open Saturday and Sunday. I’ve been to them for dogs and a cat.

So my plan is a few tummy massages today since that seems to get digestion going, try to entice her with hay, grass, and corn husk. And see if I can get her moving more - maybe floor time. Since she’s eating a good quantity of everything other than hay, I don’t know if I should be pushing CritcalCare. She won’t eat it on it’s own, or on lettuce. The fiber would be good, but I don’t want to overload her digestion either.

Thanks so much for all the info. These little babies can be so challenging at times.

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