Need fast help with Bailey

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Post   » Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:11 pm

Geez, how terrible. My choice is ALWAYS 0.9% (isotonic) saline for flushing abscesses. That is safe and not damaging to tissues. If all the fluid doesn't come out, it is safely absorbed by the body (and excreted in the urine). It is the flushing action, not the ingredients that make the difference, anti-infection wise. Depending on what exactly the vet did, however, I would be somewhat concerned flushing that particular area with copious amounts of flush.

Chlor might be the way to go. I hope your appointment goes well!

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Post   » Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:52 pm

BEst wishes!

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Post   » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:03 pm

Good luck to you and Bailey, and keep us posted.

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Post   » Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:10 pm

OK, so we are back. The vet cleaned off all the dried on matted pus and removed two of the stitches to gain access. She said most of the pus had already drained and there was very little left in the socket.
She also said it is granulating great, that about 80% of the wound is already filled in with granulated tissue. She said the tissue looks nice and not infected.
Her whole take on it was that we are nearly there, in another two days it will be healed up and there was no need to switch meds.
She did put in a blob of terramycin and told me to do it once per day till I can no longer access the hole.
I asked if we should switch to/add chlor, and she told me that she didn't feel there was any need.
This could have been a bit of remaining infection from before the surgery, and that she really thinks it looks good.
She didn't add a drain because she felt the eye will fully heal so quick that there will be no need to flush.
She told me I can flush it daily if I want, but that she thinks it will truly be fine and there will be nothing left to flush by Sunday.

Meanwhile, Bailey is eating everything in sight and acting fine. It doesn't seem to bother her in the least.

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Post   » Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:23 pm

That's great and I'm glad Bailey's ok! It's always a good thing, when a pig is pigging out!

Can you keep her on Bactrim as a preventative measure? My vet is just the opposite about giving AB's to prevent infection. When my guys have a scratch on them she sends them home with AB's. She always wants to make sure something small doesn't turn into anything big.

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Post   » Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:51 pm

She will remain on the Bactrim for 7 days, and the terramycin until the hole closes.
I've stopped with the Metacam, because truly, she doesn't seem to be in any pain at all. She wheeks when I come in the room, she is eating everything. She stands on the side of the C&C cage. I don't think she hurts at all.


Post   » Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:39 pm

Whew, what a relief that you got such a good prognosis.

You sound pretty comfortable with what you were told, is that the case?

I have the same issues with my vets not knowing when they are stumped or when adding a consult to the mix might make for a better outcome. Sympathy for you on that.

Hope Bailey heals up well and fast.

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Post   » Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:21 pm

Baily is one lucky girl. Hope she will heal fast. And I assume she can still see fine?

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Post   » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:30 pm

I hope she heals up fast.

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Post   » Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:07 am

Oh my goodness - poor little piggy!

I hope that what the vet says turns into a reality and I am so glad Bailey seems to be doing well!

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Post   » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:16 am

That sounds promising. Continue to hope she heals up fine!

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Post   » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:22 am

Best wishes.

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Post   » Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:53 am

Oh my goodness! Poor Bailey! I'm glad that the crisis seems to be over and that things are healing.

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Post   » Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:48 am

Thanks all! Klynne, it's weird about this vet. She is very reassuring and confident. I guess in the end we will find out.
She is not cavalier, so that is good.
I told her I was a bit concerned about the sterile surgical procedures, and she had a really good point.

She said "You know, we use totally sterile procedures in the OR. But then we send a surgical patient home, who lives in a cage with poop and pee, and there is no way to "dress" a pig so that any surgical site stays clean. So infection is so much more common in these guys than even a cat or dog, that you can wrap and surgically dress."

She has a good point. With humans, you dress most sites, you can do a topical AB, and then we are told to leave it alone, not touch, and of course wash our hands before working with the surgical site.

I have yet to see a guinea pig wash her feets before wiping her newly operated eye! Those same little feets are walking around a cage with poop and pee, no matter how often you clean the cages.

It is matted this morning, but granulating. It doesn't smell nearly as bad this morning. I gave the Bactrim and the terramycin ointment, and she was wheeking at me the minute I put her down for veggies. She is munching away happily.

She still has normal vision in the one eye.


Post   » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:03 pm

Glad she is doing better.

I was thinking about that recently, and wondered if the reason so many pig neuters get abscesses is because they are dragging their incisions through dirty cages. I was wondering if using glue might be better to try to seal the incisions more and prevent the cooties from being able to get in there.

I was actually thinking of starting a thread on that, but this is semi-related so I thought I would put it here (sorry to hijack). I was wondering what Josephine thought about it.

Hope she continues to do well.

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Post   » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:49 pm

wondered if the reason so many pig neuters get abscesses is because they are dragging their incisions through dirty cages

It probably does have a lot to do with it. What about the ones who abscess months after the neuter, though? I often wonder if it's the suture material and method that has something to do with it. I had a sow abcess along her incision site, and now Eddie abscessing in his neuter site--first one side, and now the other.

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Post   » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:26 pm

Toby abscessed at his neuter site also, and she kept swearing it was just scar tissue. Yeah, till I started gently pushing and vanilla pudding was squirting out of the site!

I think most abscesses occur because pigs heal up so darn fast on the outside that anything INSIDE is trapped! BAiley's was not an abscess, it was open infection. Blech. She is still doing fine this afternoon. I can't believe how fast this thing is closing up. I have been gently putting pressure on it to see if there is anything in there, and so far so good. Of course, a million nasty germs could be under there just biding their time for an explosion.

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Post   » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:39 pm

Best wishes, KM and quick healing thoughts to Bailey.

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Post   » Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:06 pm

So originally they left an open empty socket? Or was it sutured shut, and the infection occured behind the sutures in the actual eye cavity?

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Post   » Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:26 am

Sorry to post and run, been a couple of crazy weeks!

Lisam, they had sewedd it shut and left on stitch out by her tear duct so in case of infection, it would have some place to exit.
When I took her back in, they removed two more stitches on the opposite corner where I was getting most of the pus.

So update: It was two weeks on Tuesday since the surgery. The pus has never totally gone away. It also has never closed entirely. I would gently wipe off the gook, put on the terramycin ointment twice a day, and she has been on Bactrim since the surgery.
I took her back in on Tuesday this week because I am still seeing pus! We changed the meds to Baytril in case the Bactrim is just keeping the infection from getting worse but not totally killing it.

So, is this normal? My own hope was that there would NEVER be pus, but there was an infection of some kind prior to the surgery which caused her eyeball to rupture and the reason we had to have the eye removed in the first place.
Should it take this long to heal? Should I still be dealing with pus? I've never had an eye removed so I was seriously just hoping for a standard incision, no infection, and by now I was hoping we were done.

Bailey is doing great by the way and eats like a horse and has gained 4 ounces.

The vet keeps telling me there is no more pus in the eye socket, she again flushed it and said she got absolutely nothing, that the tiny little bit in the hole was it.
Today, it will no longer wipe away, is this perhaps granulated tissue? Oh, and she's lost all the hair around the eye.
Would a picture help??

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