4 year old female is squeaking when urinating

duskern

Post   » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:23 am


This is my first post here. I'm looking for advice regarding my pig Abigail. Like stated in the subject title, she is 4 years old. Since she was around 1 I think, she has been squeaking every now and then when she is peeing, and defecating. At first it was not too much, but we still took her to the vet. They found an infection, so they gave her some antibiotics. This happened a couple of times over the years, but she still kept squeaking every now and then.

Then it starte to get more and more, so we took her to the vet again, for a more through check. They did some test, and xrays, and the only thing they could come up with was that there was a bit of blood in her urin. They wanted to do a check on her urin directly from her bladder with a needle to extract it, but it failed, as she accidentally peed before they could get it out. The idea here was to find out where the blood was added to her urin. We decided to not try that test again, as it weight more heavily for us to keep her from the stress of going to the vet all the time. At this point, I think we had take her to the vet 4 times for various small checks in a very short time. I had a long talk with the vet to figure out if this was the right call, and they actually agreed, since figuring out where the blood was coming from, most likely would not help that much in figuring out what the problem was. Even if we did figure it out, there were no centerties for a cure, since operating on the urinal pathways of such a small animal is not really possible. Instead they advised us to give her cucumber a couple of times a day, to clear out the urin, or something like that.

We have been giving her cucumber for around a year now. I think that her squeaking has increased a bit. It takes around 10-15 seconds, and the she's fine.

During all of this she has always been perfectly fine, except during minor periods with disease a couple of times. She is a really big pig by nature, weighing 1,5 kg. She is close related to some kind of special large pig. I think her father was really large if I remember correctly. We keep track of the weight of our pigs, and she is really steady. She always eats fine, and is really happy when I have her out. She talks a lot when I cuddle her. So all in all, there's not any problems when she is not squeaking. As my vet haven't heard about something like this, I was hoping to find some help online. I got this forum recommended by a friend, so I hope you can help me :)

Martin.

kailaeve1271

Post   » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:28 am


By special large pig do you mean Cuy?

Also I’d consider looking into bladder stone and UTI information for her.

I’d be on the lookout for soft poos too since I heard a lot of cucumber can give the diarrhea sometimes, but if it is a UTI the best thing is to get fluid into her to flush the system so keep it up, but under close watch just in case. Make sure her water is fresh at all times to encourage her to drink more.

duskern

Post   » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:47 am


Yes I think she is closely related to a Cuy. I'm pretty sure the vet told us that it wasn't a bladder stone, when they did an x-ray of her. She is drinking a good amount I think. We are not overdoing it with the cucumber as far as I know. We give her 3 cm two times a day. I'm not familiar with the term UTI. Can you explain what it is, or throw me a link or something?

bpatters
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Post   » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:13 am


UTI means urinary tract infection.

She's got classic signs of stones, but if that's the case, it's unusual that she hasn't gotten steadily worse over all this time. Pigs can have interstitial cystitis.

Here's a link: http://www.guinealynx.info/stones.html

kailaeve1271

Post   » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:51 pm


Here's the UTI link as well: http://www.guinealynx.info/uti.html

I'd really consider having your vet check again for stones. I've heard of vets doing X-Rays and not spotting them until the 2nd or 3rd time. It really sounds like one and they can be very painful for them

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:36 pm


Do read over the links on this page too. It is possible pain medication could help.
http://www.guinealynx.info/records/viewtopic.php?t=21

duskern

Post   » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:14 am


So I've been over most of the links posted here. It's a bit much to take in, also due to english not being my first language, there's a couple of medical terms and such that I don't quite understand. I'm not really sure how to proceed, but I really like to have a list of possible problems to take to my vet, so that we can try to figure out how to go from there. What do you guys think I should do??

My vet have been very helpful in all of this, and I believe they are the most qualified to handle guinea pigs in Aarhus, Denmark. That being said, I'm not sure about how much knowledge they have on GP's, all though they seem to be really good. I can't really know if they have considered Interstitial Cystitis, or other stuff. It's a small clinic in Denmark, so they might not have access to cutting edge research regarding guinea pig health issues. I don't even know how that stuff works in the world of vets :D

Thx for the replies. It's nice to have some help with this :)

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Post   » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:20 am


I think the interstitial cystitis would be a possibility if no stones were found but sludge was found.

duskern

Post   » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:07 am


What are the illnesses I should discuss with my vet? There's interstitial cystitis and bladder stones, but are there more?

I think that interstitial cystitis is the most likely. Does it have another name?

kailaeve1271

Post   » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:18 am


In humans it is referred to as “Painful Bladder Syndrome” but I’m not sure if it’s the same for guinea pigs. I would look into Pyometra as well if she isn’t fixed. So in my opinion I’d ask the vet to check for sludge, stones, infections, Pyometra and Interstitial Cystitis just to get everything covered

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Post   » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:40 pm


Pyometra is an infection of the uterus.

duskern

Post   » Tue May 01, 2018 10:30 am


What do you mean by "fixed"? And what is sludge?

Thx for your replies all :)

kailaeve1271

Post   » Tue May 01, 2018 10:50 am


“Fixed” meaning spayed. Unable to have babies due to a special surgery. Sludge is usually referred to a large calcium dopsit that is thick. It should be a major red flag that your guinea pig may have too much calcium in their diet and may be at risk for bladder stones.

I refers to Pyometra alone instead of grouping it with infections to point out it could be in the reproductive system or in the urinary system

bpatters
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Post   » Tue May 01, 2018 10:52 am


It's not just calcium in the diet that causes it. Some pigs are prone to sludge/stones no matter how little calcium they get, while others will never have it even with a diet high in calcium. It's an individual pig thing, although lowering dietary calcium may help in some pigs.

kailaeve1271

Post   » Tue May 01, 2018 10:58 am


Thanks bpatters! I Learn something new every time I’m on here! Just to make sure, they are still red flags/a sign of concern for the pigs, right?

lils29

Post   » Tue May 01, 2018 11:18 am


Hey Martin

I have been going through the same issues myself with our 4 year old Lola. What anti biotic are you using? Lola was provided with baytril multiple times and the infection kept coming back straight away and made her very sick. We found an exotic pet specialist and tried septrin and she didnt have any infection for 4 months after one course. Lola had one or two more since then and was put on further anti biotics and meloxidyl ( anti inflammatory/ pain killer) here in Ireland, She also had a urinalysis done and xray which both found her to be fine.Like your piggy mine was quite heavy and turned out she was diabetic which highers the risk of getting UTIs. Lola has been put on Glipizide for her diabetes and We removed all pellets and feed her solely on Timothy hay and fresh veg and she has now gone from 1.33KG to 1.08KG. In the past 2 months she would squeak slightly when urinating but not constantly so my vet has put her on Cystaid and meloxidyl only for when she makes a noise because she didnt want her on anti biotics all of the time and since then we have been ok! The cystaid seems to have worked wonders for her and she loves the taste! I have also made sure her fur is trimmed now and also daily i give a wipe around her private area to make sure its not dirty!

Its a really long , frustrating and expensive process but i hope something works for you :)

duskern

Post   » Tue May 01, 2018 4:43 pm


She is not spayed. We are currently not using any antibiotics. It's a weird history for her, but long story short, the vet couldn't not really figure anything out and they didn't find any bacteria in her urin the last time they checked. They were not even sure her squeaking was due to pain. They also did x-rays that didn't show anything. She has had minor infections a couple of times that have been treated with Baytril though, but it's a while back. For a long period of time the squeaking have only been periodic, but now it has become more frequent.

From what I know, she has not been ill for a long time. It's always the same thing with her. An example could be her eating pellets or hay and suddenly she will start squeaking. When she's done peeing or making a poop, which is normally withing 5-20 seconds, she will stop squeaking and continue eating like nothing has happened. Like I wrote in my initial post, she seems healty. Have nice fur. Talks when we pet her and eats everything we give her.

We have three girls living together and they are all given the same food. Their diet consists of the following:
  • 35g of "Cavia Complete" every morning and evening.
  • hay morning, afternoon, and several times during the evening. Then a larger amount for the night. If we are at home they will just get smaller amounts, but more often.
  • cucumber twice during the afternoon with 1.5 hours in between (1 cm execept Abigail who gets 3 cm).
  • 3 cm of celery after the cucumber.
  • carrots, brocoli or beetroot every evening.
Do you think I should change anything in their diet?

duskern

Post   » Tue May 01, 2018 4:56 pm


Also another minor thing. How do I recognize sludge? I have to have a talk with my vet during their phone time, so I need a list of stuff to ask about. So like kailaeve1271 wrote earlier, would this cover it?
  • sludge
  • stones
  • infections
  • Pyometra
  • Interstitial Cystitis

kailaeve1271

Post   » Tue May 01, 2018 6:14 pm


This is an image of bladder sludge produced by a guinea pig:

https://sites.create-cdn.net/siteimages/21/1/8/211820/5976039.jpg

I personally think it resembles a very thick calcium deposit.
This is an image of a calcium deposit:
https://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16222&d=1318997254&thumb=1

Sludge = Thick
Deposit = Sandy

Deposits are normal in small amounts. Sludge, on the other hand, is not normal in most pigs. (At least the ones I've had).


As for your diet, I don't measure mine the same way you do so it's a little confusing but, keep in mind: Hay should be unlimited. It is necessary in their diet to have constant access to hay. Celery has a choking hazard if not cut properly. Celery and cucumber both are very high in water content. Some people have overfed this and found their pig has runny poos. Brocolli is known to cause gas (gas can cause bloat). Carrots should be fed in small amounts because it is full of sugar and actually has little nutritional value. Beetroot contains a LOT of calcium. It should really only be fed once or twice a week. Also, everyone I've met has recommended feeding leafy greens to a guinea pig. Guinea pigs should be fed 1 cup of veggies per day. As for the pellets I never tried them myself, but I've been told they aren't very good.

If you decide to change your diet, I have my guinea pigs on a low calcium diet to prevent stones, sludge, and other urinary problems. You don't necessarily need to feed them this exact thing, but I always find it helpful to see an example:

Each pig gets this every night-
2 leaves of Red or Green Leaf Lettuce (If it is really big the get one ripped in half
2 Slices (about half a centimeter wide each) of Green Bell Pepper
2 thin slices of cucumber
Half a Cherry Tomato

They also get dehydrated carrots, apples, or pear slices twice per week as a treat.

The pellets they get are Sherwood Guinea Pig Pellets (THESE ARE AMAZING, but hard to get ahold of). I also highly recommend Oxbow Essentials Guinea Pig Pellets and KMS Hayloft guinea pig pellets. They only get enough to hide the bottom of their bowl (the bowl is technically made for a hamster. Think small handful).

And they get Unlimited Orchard Grass Hay and Timothy Hay.

Hope this helps!

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue May 01, 2018 11:06 pm


You need to start using this site first! The link you gave to a bladder sludge picture is Tracis' photo that she gave permission to use here!
http://www.guinealynx.info/normal.html#urine

It is really irritating to find members' photos being used without the permission of the photographer on random sites (not likely they got permission from the photographer).

And please do NOT push the false information that carrots are high in sugar! See: www.guinealynx.info/chart.html for a comparison.

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