KMS Hayloft

daj

Post   » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:19 pm


I just came from getting hay (3 wire orchard grass, $32, used to be $25). A woman there said they had to wait a long time, as it had to be grown for them. I got 2 bales to bag and store. It keeps about a year, right?

bpatters
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Post   » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:16 pm


Hay will retain 95% of its nutritional value up to two years after harvest if kept in dry conditions.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:35 pm


Dry conditions is the key. You don't want any moisture at all because humidity will encourage the growth of mold. I had put a bale of hay in a nice outbuilding and I could tell it got moldy. So be very careful about your storage area.

daj

Post   » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:25 pm


Mine will be bagged and indoors. I didn't hoard a single thing through the pandemic, but the thought of no hay is scary enough to make me start. If the hay suffers, then the pellets will too. Esp. because it probably won't be just hay that takes a hit, but the other ingredients will too. Heat, drought, extreme weather, fires... the future looks pretty rough.

daj

Post   » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:07 pm


Can I indulge in a bit of worst case scenario thinking? If the GP food situation were to really deteriorate, my thought would be to be prepared as best I can. If pellet making is out of reach, my next thought is making a porridge sort of thing, similar to what I now feed my pig who had stones, except I would try to approximate the composition of good pellets as best I can. How does this sound? I'm thinking of things I see in the pellet ingredient lists, like hay first, and not in any order: flax meal, maybe pea flour, brewer's yeast, some dehydrated vegetables, molasses, maybe some dehydrated herbs, etc. I would appreciate any thoughts.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:50 pm


Vitamin C. If you cannot get fresh vegs, you could use some vitamin C. You can even get some 100mg children's tabs and quarter them for one guinea pig per day.

daj

Post   » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:34 am


Yeah, I think vitamin C would be pretty easy. I would probably go with a liquid. I am wondering about coming up with a substitute for pellets. If you or anyone were to go the route of concocting something, what sort of approach would you take and what ingredients would you use? It seems to me that if hay became scarce or really poor quality, others ingredients would be in the same boat, and pellets would decline in quality and nutrition. I would think having stuff like flax seeds or flax meal in the freezer would be good, as would a bunch of other things that would make for a good feed for pigs.

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Sef
I dissent.

Post   » Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:17 am


I received my order of KMS yesterday from a third party seller on Amazon.com. Haven't opened it yet; it took 5 days to get here, which wasn't too bad. I think if KMS becomes scarce I will likely switch to Oxbow GS, and maybe just cut down on it. There is no way any of my guys would eat some sort of sludge/mush/whatever that I might try to make myself. I tried this in the past with handfeeding formula, and it was a massive Fail.

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RavenShade
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Post   » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:41 pm


I use Oxbow for pellets. For my hay, I make sure it's in a cardboard box but not in the bags as I feel the bags keep in moisture. Worse comes I would see about buying a bale or two off the stables where Junior rides.

bpatters
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Post   » Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:34 pm


I think all hay shippers recommend taking hay out of plastic bags. Keeps the hay dryer and reduces the chance of mold.

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ItsaZoo
Supporter in 2020

Post   » Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:22 am


When I open a bag of hay I put it in a big container that's make for pet food. I fluff it up and leave the top open. I noticed at the local humane society they have open bins that they keep the hay in.

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Sef
I dissent.

Post   » Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:55 am


Speaking of hay...received a shipment of Oxbow timothy yesterday, and it's yellow/brown, very coarse and the boys are not eating it.

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Waddles
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Post   » Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:59 pm


I just received some 3rd cut from SPS and it is soft and green. My pigs are loving it.

daj

Post   » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:09 pm


KMS just refunded another attempt at purchasing pellets. I guess I am done with them. I haven't bought timothy hay in more than a year because of bad quality. The bales of orchard grass I buy are still really good. I will continue using plastic for long term storage. I'm in AZ and I doubt moisture is a concern, plus, I'm going to be storing a lot. I am not feeling good about quality GP food access for the future. Maybe I'm just a worry wort.

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Sef
I dissent.

Post   » Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:56 am


I emailed them the other day to ask if they knew when they would have timothy guinea pig pellets back in stock (still showing Sold Out), but have not received a reply back yet. They do have a phone number on their site that says "Call or text." Have you tried reaching them that way?

Oxbow's timothy/orchard grass blend has been very good quality every time I have purchased it. The problem is that my guys tend to pick through one or the other, and it results in a lot of waste.

daj

Post   » Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:11 am


I have tried calling. It's just a message. I got an email from them the other day... for 'Luciano Kelly' or something like that. It just said pellets weren't available, and it again provided the link to buy on Amazon. I think I'm done with them.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Sat Aug 07, 2021 1:23 am


I get Oxbow timothy and orchard grass separately for that reason - Lacey picks through it and there’s a lot of waste. It looks and smells fresh but she seems to leave a lot uneaten.

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mmeadow
Supporter 2004-2021

Post   » Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:29 pm


Here's my pissed-off email from last Wednesday. I've been more polite than they deserve. No reply yet.

My 7/20 order #34981 was never shipped. I know from long experience with KMS Hayloft that there can be supply problems with your pellet manufacturers, but I was never notified that the pellets are sold out.

Nor was my recurring charge suspended until my order shipped.

I think you should have contacted your customers with some explanation, at least.

Longtime customer who is unhappy about poor communications,

Margery

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Lynx
Celebrate!!!

Post   » Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:47 pm


They absolutely have to refrain from billing if they don't have the product! I would be pretty mad too.

daj

Post   » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:50 pm


They sent this out today:
I think we all know those times when you feel like you are out of the pan and into the fire. That has definitely been 2021. As we all have been transitioning from the most difficult parts of the pandemic, the west has been struggling with drought and extreme fires. The picture above is from a fire in Washington that burned over 86,000 acres recently a couple of hours from our farm.

Due to the drought, fires, and heavy smoke in the air, hay and other agricultural products are seeing yields down by up to 75%.

What does this mean for KMS Hayloft and serving you?

Our small team is digging deep and working harder than ever.

It also means that we have hired another person to work with you on social media, customer service, and additional communication. That gives us two people focusing exclusively on YOU! This allows me to be highly focused on getting the best possible products. Many of our normal farmers have not had enough hays to take care of our needs for the year and I have been working day and night to make sure we have everything you need and aren't compromising on quality.

Our mill is also struggling with keeping up with demand. We use only the highest quality ingredients in our pellets and because yields are low it is very difficult to get our necessary ingredients and keep them in stock. Currently, we are 3 weeks late on the last estimated pellet delivery. Twice there have been ingredients intended for our pellets which have gone undelivered with no answers being provided to the mill. I will begin weekly updates starting this week so you all know the continued status.

As always, I will continue to make myself available. While a growing business makes it difficult at times, it is very important to me. I hear from customers every day and those that continue to reach out directly I am grateful for. Your continued encouragement during this strenuous time has been the additional boost our team has needed to continue to dig deep and keep pushing forward.

-Dan

I am not sure what he means by "As always, I will continue to make myself available."
I am hoping my replacement experiment will be a success so I can do without commercial pellets.

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