- You can quote me
12,960 mg/40 mL syrup with orange = 324 mg/mL of suspension
324 mg/mL of suspension x 0.43 cc = 139.32 (say 140 mg) given to the guinea pig every 12 hours.
TX Rustlers, how heavy was your pig?
Anyone, feel free to doublecheck my math also.
- I dissent.
I'd want to check the urine pH before using a urine alkalinizer. There is still a lot of debate as to whether or not Polycitra has any value in the treatment of stones, and in some cases could be contraindicated. Current research is looking at urine acidifers instead. Your friend should discuss with her vet before proceeding either way.
My only advice would be to discuss very aggressive fluid therapy, and pain management if needed. Be very careful about the use of NSAIDs such as Metcam (Meloxicam) if the pig is showing any signs of dehydration.
Bridges Veterinary Surgery
at Pugh's Garden Centre
Ty Nant Rd
029 2084 2440
The vet who is the cavy vet is Mark Bridges.
Hope that he gets better soon.
- I dissent.
No one here is a veterinarian, and regardless of the level of veterinary expertise we might have access to, we haven't examined this pig ourselves or know anything about its condition other than it has stones. I just think we would be remiss not to make the owner aware of the potential risks involved with the various treatment options available, so that she (with the help of her vet) can make informed decisions.
Jacks vet , wants to keep Jack on metacam at 0.15ml of 1.5mg per ml (dog strength ) twice a day .
He is 840g 3.5 years old and is in no apparent discomfort , I know this med has good anti inflammatory properties ,that may help the bladder , though he is in no pain , when, on the odd coasions he do's pass blood
but would have thought 0.15ml twice a day (aprox 16 drops ) would be harmful to the renal system .
Also injections to flush Jack ,
Any thoughts please would be appreciated
- Let Sleeping Pigs Lie
There are some threads on this link that discuss higher dosages of Metacam:
LINKS - Metacam® / Meloxicam
Metacam and Rimadyl have also been used longer-term to help relieve the daily pain of arthritis, as discussed on this thread:
Request for Arthritis treatment protocols
- I dissent.
Standard therapeutic dose of Metacam is .1-.2mg/kg every 24 hours. For a 800g pig, that would roughly .10cc.
Stones in ureters puts much more load on the kidneys than bladder stones. Has this vet done a blood panel to determine kidney function? I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but high doses of Metacam in an already renal-compromised animal can induce acute renal failure.
NSAIDs have their place in supportive care; absolutely. But if this were my pig, given all of the information we have been given here and based on my own experiences, I would use Metacam very judiciously, and aggressively use fluid therapy to help keep the pig well-hydrated.
If pain becomes an issue, then certainly it's worth going with Metacam in an appropriate dose, or with an opiate.
Jack was scheduled for the opp this morning . but was postponed
And I just received this message from Jacks Keeper
QUOTE > cant believe it. They done an x-ray to see where the stones are before they opperate. And most of the stones have gone. I cant tell you how happy I feel at the moment. We still have to give him meds and seringe feed him and constent care till the rest hopfully pass. >Unquote .
I’d say that is one lucky Jack .
thanks for all you input , i will keep you posted on Jacks progress
He is still on heavy meds I believe , but is bleeding far less frequently , still being syringe fed
His keeper reports problems getting his weight back , and describes him as bony ,
though I have seen a video of Jack after this x-ray , and he look better than would be expected .
Any thoughts on way to go from hear ???
- I dissent.
Handfeeding is good...does he still eat veggies on his own? Unfortunately, significant weight loss seems like a common problem with ureteral stones and he most likely won't gain it back.
Sending lots of good thoughts to Jack and his owner.
I added this pic also to your thread (hope that's okay).
Hoping for the best for him.