Jet and Joan

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:34 am


Okay got 2 new pigs only wanted 1 but got stuck with 2. Big expense! Anyways Jet was born April 5th 2022 and Joan 21st of May 2022.

Now Joan has NO problems I know off except squeaks a lot. I have to go round house wearing head phones. It is a hungry squeak which she does even if she has been fed. Driving me nuts.

Jet how ever has nose that is naked in fur and top half of stomach also naked. Vet cut a few bits of fur and looked under microscope and could see nothing. She gave me PMP a dog and cat eye and ear drops/ointment. Is this safe for pigs? When I used it on her nose fur started to grow back. Once I stopped a few days later fur missing again.

She also suggested I use it on Jays dermatitis paw. Which is naked of fur and she bites it. Let me know and thanks in advance. Can't believe have 5 piggies again!

Jewel in corner of eyes she looks like she is crying then she gets scabs. Have been using Amacin for 7 days then stop but 3-6 days later it comes back. Is it dangerous to use long term?

Sorry for using thread for so many pigs. Just easier as Jay and Jet maybe use PMP and Joan it is half her thread and for now Jewels thread is locked by my request! Thanks guys.

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:02 am


It took me a while to find the product, which looks to be this:
https://www.theanimalpharmacy.com.au/pr ... -30ml.html

Main ingredient is Miconazole, which is a common antifungal. There is an antibiotic in this product called Polymyxin b sulphate which I have not heard of and can't speak to its safety if ingested. I guess since you already used it and there were no ill effects, it might be okay to apply sparingly and rub it in well. Apparently the vet thinks this is a fungal infection. If it were me, I would be inclined just to buy Miconazole over the counter and use that instead, just to be in the safe side, especially if the area doesn't look red and inflamed. Without a photo, though, we can't see what you and your vet are seeing.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:06 am


And always be cognizant of the possibility of mites. Fungal infections and mite infestations can be present at the same time. Do agree, if you are seeing progress, it would seem to confirm a fungal infection.

bpatters
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Post   » Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:19 pm


And if it is a fungus, keep using the medication until the hair is pretty well grown back in. Stopping too soon just means that the infection will come back. Fungus can be very hard to get rid of.

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Renonvsparky

Post   » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:17 pm


Looks like to me from what you've put down that you need to continue the medicine at least until the fur has completely grown back and even for a few days after. If it's mites, there's nothing better than topical ivermectin. If you do wind up using it, the dosing chart by weight is very accurate.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:26 pm


I am in a state of shock. I am sitting here crying and shaking and don't know what I am going to do??? I am going to bed and hoping all a bad dream!

I have just gone to feed my girls and found poor Jet I bought a wee baby has given birth to 3 babies! Now are these babies from father or brothers? I am NOT equipped for 8 pigs. I am on a single pension and barely make ends meet now.
What am I going to do? Jet is just over 4 months herself way too young to be having babies! Males should be separated from mothers and sisters at 2-3 weeks of age. Father separated once poor sow is pregnant!

Here I was thinking Jet had little pot belly and I mean little, now she is all skin and bones. Poor baby! Why do people do this?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:19 pm


I am sorry for the stress you and Jet have been under. It may be possible to find good homes for them in a month or two.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:30 pm


It may be possible to find good homes for them in a month or two.

But if Jet got pregnant by a relative I can't in good conscious give them away. They may have health problems down the track and people here don't take piggies to vet.

The lady I got Jet from has offered to take her and the babies but I can't do that either and have Jet leading the life of having babies for the rest of her life.

I can take care of them it is the money side of things that has me VERY worried. Thanks Lynx!

Lisa12

Post   » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:40 am


Congrats on new family members!

I wouldnt worry too much about inbreeding, i dont like it, too but i think they should be perfectly fine...

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:04 am


Thank-you Lisa12. Got more info from breeder now according to her she separated sows from boars at 3 weeks. So born April 5th separated April 26th BUT if Gestation period 59-73 days my calculation makes it they were separated May 22nd at age roughly 7 weeks of age so naturally sow/s got pregnant. I wonder how many more got pregnant? I worked this out as it was July 2nd when we got Jet and Joan. Thankfully from 2 different people! And Jet gave birth August 7th 2022. Hope she has milk she keeps running from them! Keep you posted!

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Renonvsparky

Post   » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:35 pm


Buttercup's babies are inbred and three out of the 4 are perfectly healthy. The one we lost, Ruffles died of a digestive system blockage, which we don't know if it was a result of a defect caused by inbreeding or just one of those things that happens. I'm not a fan of inbreeding either, but it was unavoidable in your case and mine. Regardless, those babies should be ok. This is a happy time for you, or it should be. My advice is to enjoy those adorable little pups until they are old enough and then find them great homes if you can't keep them.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:55 am


Thank-you Renonvsparky! This lady thought more of money than the pigs. I have no idea whether Jet was inbred too? Babies look normal. But then so did Jessie till 3 years old then had major teeth issues, but she still lived to 8 even with a misaligned mouth and syringe fed for last 5 years!

Taking the family to vet Friday to be checked. The lady I got Jet from offered to refund me and take them back but I know here sick pigs are reptile food or left to die. I couldn't do that to them. I will try living with 8 pigs and see how I manage. But with fruit and veg at outrageous prices to to fire and floods every penny will count from now on!

I know you don't give to guinea pigs but iceberg lettuces are selling for $14.00 each currently. Speaking of which I know it can cause tummy upsets, the runs etc but would it hurt to feed them iceberg lettuces for 3 days? Just till pension is in and I can buy Oak lettuce.

Lastly, does mum need anything special? Like special food, vitamin C supplements? Been ages since I had a litter of pups to care for! I will try and enjoy this time, been a long time since something nice has happened to me since my husband left me. Keep you posted!

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:48 am


... iceberg lettuces are selling for $14.00 each currently
That is outrageous! You want a high quality pellet with alfalfa/lucerne for the extra calcium and protein.

http://www.guinealynx.info/diet.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/pellets.html

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:11 am


You want a high quality pellet with alfalfa/lucerne for the extra calcium and protein.

Is this for mum or bubs or both?
iceberg lettuces are selling for $14.00 each currently
Everything has gone up here. Most time when go to shops shelves are empty and NOT due to panic buying just that due to flood things are hard to come by. I will ask vet Friday to get baby piggies pellets Oxbow in. Last time took ages. When one goes shopping never know what has gone up.

Thanks Lynx and will keep everyone posted.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:41 am


Both for mother and pups. She is recovering from a pregnancy and is so young.

You can find lucerne hay in Australia, I believe. This will help too. And/or clover.

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Renonvsparky

Post   » Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:54 pm


I've never heard of iceberg lettuce causing upset stomach or the runs in guinea pigs, but I'll admit that my experience with it is limited. As I understand it, the trouble with iceberg lettuce is the lack of nutrients. It fills their stomach with basically nothing. Getting a belly full of lettuce with zero nutrients is no better than giving them no greens at all. There are plenty of nutritious greens which guinea pigs can get. I believe that nutrition page on this site is a very good list of choices. If you have grass growing where you can pick it, you could always give them that. They'll love it. I will caution you to make sure animals aren't doing their business where you get it from and that it's far enough away from roads and sidewalks where people contaminants get in it. As with anything you give your pigs, rinse it thoroughly.

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:52 pm


Most guinea pig sites (including this one) will say that iceberg lettuce is not a good choice for guinea pigs, as it *can* cause loose stools if over-fed. I have used it for pigs that were dealing with kidney failure and needed the extra hydration, and it didn't cause diarrhea but I don't think I'd want to feed it under normal circumstances. It is comprised of something like 96% water (as much as a cucumber) and, as Renonvsparky said, is pretty much worthless nutritionally.

More helpful information here:
http://www.guinealynx.info/reproduction_faq.html

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:29 pm


Decades ago we had guinea pigs (like 40 years ago) and I fed iceberg because that was the only lettuce there was. I used to sprout alfalfa seeds in a sunny window and feed them sprouts because lettuce was expensive and I knew they needed vitamin C.

We did a lot of things wrong because no one really knew anything about care. I had a book about care and feeding that recommended hard dog biscuits to keep their teeth trimmed.

I would try finding grass or clover, or growing some grass in a tray in the house. It grows fast and seed is inexpensive. Also, if there is anyone selling sweet corn at farmers markets, maybe husks would be available. This has to be so frustrating trying to care for pets when prices soar and supply is low.

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:38 am


Thanks you Lynx, Renonvsparky, Sef and ItsaZoo. I fed ALL pigs Iceberg lettuces for 2 feeds, went shopping today and got Oak lettuce and silverbeet, and baby spinach leaves. Heard spinach is high in calcium.


Also got the Oxbow pellets for young piggies also high in calcium. As to lucerne still looking for cheap price! Just got back from vet-Joan a girl and of course so is Jet. BUT sadly the 3 pups at this stage look like all boys. I thought 1 boy 2 girls but looks like I was wrong.


Now how big a cage needed for 3 boys? People say on here boys fight but that I ignore as I have found so do girls! Now Jaffa, Jill, Jupiter were sisters(God rest their souls) They were in a cage 9ft X 2ft and yet either Jill or Jupiter or both attacked Jaffa till skin and blood exposed.

Now I have bought a foldable dog crate which is 76cms X 106cms which is not 2ft X not 3.6ft I bought this when I thought there was only 1 boy. Would 2 of these joined together or perhaps 3 joined together be big enough?

The vet said all 3 pups looked healthy but then they are not a week old till tomorrow. Take Jessie she was healthy for 3 years then had major health issues(dental). He loved the 2 ginger ones, me I love the white one, heck I have fallen in love with all 3.

There is another alternative, I could buy another dog crate and put Justice in it and let the boys have the 9ft X 2ft cage. Is this large enough? I have NOT have boys since 1999 so a little out of practice. Please be patient with me.

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:55 am


I bought this one https://www.google.com/search?q=lucerne ... 3570559034 I can also give some to Joan who is only 8 weeks old.

Australian post is jolly slow so won't hold my breath for it to come for another 2-4 weeks. Thanks guys!

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